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Are you watching Jamie Oliver's school dinners?

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MunchedTooManyMarsLady · 23/02/2005 21:39

Jamie's being given a run for his money. Loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TracyK · 10/03/2005 11:36

I think they said that because the kids digestive system was so clogged up the food was being digested into poo in their tummies!

desperatehousewife · 10/03/2005 11:36

I think the problem needs to be addressed really early on in a child's life - from weaning/toddlerhood - therefore the buck starts with parents. I think Jamie's got a very difficult task on his hands - these kids are old enough to be stuck in their ways by now - they'll never give up turkey twizzlers. their taste buds shot to pieces.

How can celebs have the front to endorse McDs and Pepsi/Coke? Why can't these same celebs be endorsing carrots - imagine David Beckham saying carrots help make you a great footballer....that has got to be the way forward.

tribpot · 10/03/2005 11:40

Carla - the dietician in question told JO that some kids have become so constipated that their systems are basically backing up so the poop is coming out at the wrong end.

Personally I would have just told the kids in JO's school "eat the veggies or you'll be chucking up crap", might have worked Obviously he went for a slightly less extreme approach.

The Guardian article muminlondon provided has some excellent ideas for how to make our feelings known, definitely worth a look. I really can't believe it's got to a stage where half as much money is spent on kids' meals as on prisoners'. (Not that I think prisoners should be made to eat gruel in the manner of a Victorian novel but even so).

muminlondon · 10/03/2005 11:43

The Children's Food Bill (private member's bill not a government bill) gets a second reading in April, just before the general election - found it here . Hope this is an enormous election issue - there may not be time to get it through.

Furball · 10/03/2005 14:59

I am too quite amazed, how it has got so bad. I do find it really fantastic that Nora has re-newed enthusiasm and seems to really enjoy her job now and finally Jamie getting the last few rebels by giving them a cookery lesson. I was also quite surprised at the other dinner ladies not really knowing how to cook. Yes, they did only have to heat things up at school, but what were they doing at home? OK, cooking for a family is a bit different than cooking on such a large scale but basic kitchen skills should be the same.

Furball · 10/03/2005 15:02

A bit off topic but from that link to the Guardian, why do soldiers get 54p's worth of food and prisoners 74p?

misdee · 10/03/2005 15:17

would people be willing to pay more for schoold dinners if it meant the kids easting better food? i know i would.

Nome · 10/03/2005 15:25

cos soldiers are only fed on duty and prisoners are there for every meal?

I thought it was particularly appalling that there were complaints from parents about their children only being offered JO food and not 'proper' food!

Didn't headteachers have to give the catering contracts to the lowest bidders? I'm sure parents would also be up in arms if the food budget had to made up out of the book budget. Our schools need more money for headteachers to spend as they see fit, and not hedged around with conditions linking it to the latest paperchase.

Bozza · 10/03/2005 15:26

Yes I would misdee. Also Furball I think that is the point I was trying to make about the dinner ladies really. The basics are really still the same as at home.

MunchedTooManyMarsLady · 10/03/2005 16:21

Talking of election time article in todays Times

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maria1966 · 10/03/2005 16:52

love the programme,really informative.I got the impression some of the negative dinner ladies were
againest the idea of Jamies as it would mean more work preparing instead of just tipping junk from boxes into a baking tray.
Less time for their fag breaks maybe?

Preggars · 10/03/2005 16:56

Sorry, haven't had time to read all the thread.

Couldn't believe it when one of the dinner ladies said she hadn't eaten green beans before - ever. Wow.

I'm really excited about this project as we live near by and ds is over 2 now. Fingers crossed ALL our children will benefit from this overhaul. Can't believe the parents complaining to Jamie about bringing the pizzas and junk back, and that some actually brough Maccy Dees to school for their kids.

I do wish he'd stop swearing though. Gets on my Fing TTs.

tribpot · 10/03/2005 17:52

Actually I think the dinner lady said she'd never eaten beans of any kind before ... although how can that be, surely baked beans are almost junk food with the amount of salt and sugar some of them contain. Maybe she doesn't think of baked beans as beans

Jamie certainly likes to speak his mind, doesn't he? In the Guardian article he's quoted as calling the school dinners "scrotum-burger shite". Eloquent.

hunkermunker · 10/03/2005 17:56

Maybe not eloquent, but sadly very true!

suedonim · 10/03/2005 19:38

I was agog at the dinner ladies trying to chop onions and carrots. Do they not do these things at home? I guess not...

One thing I think the schools should do is get rid of those disgusting dog-bowl things the children eat from and give them proper plates and cutlery instead. Make eating lunch an occasion to be enjoyed, not a quick two minute session to shove some junk food down.

HUNKERMUNKER · 10/03/2005 19:39

I was going to post the exact same think re the slop trays they give the kids these days. It doesn't encourage good eating habits to get savoury and sweet on the tray at the same time either IMO.

Cod · 10/03/2005 19:40

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WideWebWitch · 10/03/2005 22:49

Only just watched this taped from last night. Jamie Oliver deserves a knighthood at the very least. Shocking stuff, it really makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end.

FIMAC1 · 13/03/2005 08:10

Caterers boycott school meals as Britain bullks up on crisps

The Times Online 6th March

Jonathan Ungoed-Thomas and Lois Rogers
French spend up to three times more

SOME of Europe?s biggest catering companies are so appalled by Britain?s cheap school dinners that they are refusing to supply them.
Avenance, owned by Elior Group, provides school meals for French children but said last week it would be ?detrimental? to British pupils to serve them ingredients costing as little as 37p per head. Another French company, Sodexho, announced that it would refuse to bid for future contracts unless more money was spent on proper ingredients.

The boycott has exposed the stark contrast between school dinners in France and Britain. French children are given well-balanced four-course meals with fresh ingredients costing about £1.10 each ? three times the 37p here ? while British children are mainly fed cheap processed food.

Tim Collins, the Conservative education spokesman, said: ?It?s absolutely shaming that French companies feel standards are so low in this country that they are refusing to bid for contracts.?

The growing concern over school meals has been highlighted by Jamie Oliver, the celebrity chef, who works as a school cook in the Channel 4 programme Jamie?s School Dinners. He is campaigning for more money to be spent on ingredients.

A meeting of school catering companies on Tuesday will call for more government spending on children?s nutrition.

Tim West, chairman of Avenance, said: ?Our neighbours in France spend a lot more than we do. The amount we spend is absurdly low and is never going to be able to fulfil children?s nutritional requirements.

?We are not prepared to bid for contracts in the state school sector in this country. It?s just not possible to provide good standards at the price demanded and it would be detrimental to the interests of children.?

Sodexho, which has contracts serving 700 schools, said last week it was reviewing its school catering policy and would refuse to bid for contracts where the cost of ingredients was less than 55p a head.

Stephen Thorns, Sodexho?s divisional director for commercial education, said: ?We have done our absolute best to provide children with the best food possible, but the figures just don?t stack up. People need to realise that if they don?t want children eating processed food, there is a price to pay.?

Scolarest, a subsidiary of Compass Group, provides some of the cheapest school dinners in Britain. It spends on average about 45p a child, but said last week it would like to see this rise to 70p.

The better provision of school meals in France is exemplified by Sodexho, which has contracts on the Continent and in Britain. It spends between 45p and 55p per head on ingredients in this country, compared with between 70p and £1.38 in France.

In Paris the total cost of a school meal is about £4.10, with about £1 spent on ingredients. The city provides a subsidy of nearly £60m. ?We devote a considerable sum to school meals in Paris because we want to emphasise quality and nutritional balance,? said Eric Ferrand, the deputy mayor.

It is not just French children who are getting better meals. In Rome more than £100m has been invested in a three-year programme and pupils are taught the value of fresh produce.

Peter Melchett, policy director of the Soil Association, said: ?In Venice, food is delivered from the farms to the schools by boat. The children eat food which is in season and have visits from farmers to talk about food.?

I for one will not be sad to see Sodexho go from Gloucestershire - but we need a healthy alternative in its place!

FiMac

AuntyQuated · 13/03/2005 08:13

a few months ago there was a thread about whether or not it was OK to give childrena a snacky type meal at 'tea time'. many peopel thought that this was fine especially if they'd had a proper meal at school. i said i thought a school meal was inadequate as a main meal and people strongly disagreed. but maybe much of this proves i was right all along

Cod · 13/03/2005 08:25

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AuntyQuated · 13/03/2005 08:30

no- even good is crap

menu says salad and veg
but it doesn't say
'carrots on the boil since 9.37am then left in warming cupbaord for last hour'
'warm iceberg lettuce served with 1cm cubed cucumber and tomatoes' served religiously EVERY day but then they wonder why the kids don't choose slad...d says "they never have olives or feta on the salad"- hmm on 37p they're not likely to have

Cod · 13/03/2005 08:35

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AuntyQuated · 13/03/2005 08:37

my click here to add new message isn't working!

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