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Are you watching Jamie Oliver's school dinners?

557 replies

MunchedTooManyMarsLady · 23/02/2005 21:39

Jamie's being given a run for his money. Loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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bundle · 03/03/2005 10:56

ahh but there are fish fingers and fish fingers (some with only fish in, others have more fillers)...

muminlondon · 03/03/2005 10:56

I haven't given dd chocolate or crisps yet (2 next week). Or juice, although I don't think she likes that anyway. My mum never had a biscuit tin at home but I could probably eat a whole packet if it was put in front of me. Still, I don't think to BUY them myself.

puddle · 03/03/2005 10:58

Bundle - I'd like to see what his children eat actually. They are both still quite young - my ds was very unfussy until about three and a half.

Beatie · 03/03/2005 11:00

Snafu - the private school admission bothered me because JO is implying that all state schools serve crap food for school dinners and all private schools serve decent food for school dinners. This is simply not true and he may get a shock if he probes around the kitchen of a private school.

I worked at an Independent school. The food was inedible most of the time. Profit came first. The teenagers all chose chips and those lame excuses for burgers everyday and the Junior School children had a pitiful small portion of beans and turkey dinosaurs or chicken nuggets or a Walls sausage or some other rubbish.

Just because its a private school doesn't mean the school has employed a top caterer who pops out to the farmers market to get their meat and vegetables. The food is still mostly pre-cooked stuff that is stored ina freezer and re-heated.

Private schools are out to make a profit too... and because they tend to hire out their facilities for priavte functions, they have to use outside caterers to have enough staff to work antisocial hours.

I'm not saying it is this way in every private school but the one I worked in was large and prestigious and clearly, for many years, the financial powers that be did not care about the food. As I said earlier, it was only pressure from teaching staff (who get a free dinner in return for duties) that has made the school switch caterers and chips are only on the menu 1 day per week and the food has improved.

My nephew goes to a state Junior school and there is a fortnightly menu which is heavenly for conscientious parents. My SIL was sending him with a packed lunch but when she saw how good and varied the food was, she decided to send my nephew for school dinners, in the hope the peer pressure would help him try some new foods. It has worked.

velcrobott · 03/03/2005 11:01

Are fish fingers so harmless though ? It is fish.. OK surrounded by breadcrumbs and flavourings... cooked in oil.... and not necessarily the right sort of oil... it is made to be very tasty.... it is ACTUALLY faster to pan fry a fresh piece f cod or haddock than it is to put fish fingers under the grill....

Blu · 03/03/2005 11:02

Oooh, I noticed the front door, too!
Birds Eye 100% fillet fish fingers are ok, aren't they? The ingredients looked pretty natural, few and innocuous when I looked. It's the one 'freezer standby' that I have for DS!

I got really depressed last night when I realised the state this country has got into over food.

When they showed the Parents Meeting, was that dad looking so fed up about the state of the school dinners or because he was bored with hearing about healthy food?

Wasn't it wonderful when Mavis cried with pleasure?

Poshpaws · 03/03/2005 11:04

Is it not about the amount of certain types of food a child eats rather than the food itself? Think JO was shocked at the fact that these children knew nothing else, not necessarily that they knew them.

Ds has had biscuits, crisps, chocolate, juice in his life (3.5), but not as his main meals. He is always running around, as 3.5 year olds tend to do, so is far from overweight.

puddle · 03/03/2005 11:04

Blu - they are often the only thing I can get other kids to eat when they come for tea. So they are a freezer standby for us too. I think they are fine - although agree that a piece of fish is better.

Beatie · 03/03/2005 11:04

When I was growing up I think money was tight so it was easier for my mum to keep chocolate and cakes as a treat. I think I'll try and do the same for my dd. We had a biscuit tin, always plain bicuits and we were only allowed two per day. I think I will keep that tradition up too.

iota · 03/03/2005 11:04

Blu - me too - Cap't Birdseye fishfingers. Please tell me they're OK, as my ds1 is very hard to feed with fish or meat in its natural state.

bundle · 03/03/2005 11:06

iota, i buy them too, but have switched to haddock because of this cod overfishing stuff..oh who'd be a parent???

bundle · 03/03/2005 11:07

(also had some haddock goujons the other day, M&S I think, which freeze well and you can cook them from frozen too in the oven. dd1 and dd2 enjoyed them with some tartare sauce, broccoli and mash)

PiccadillyCircus · 03/03/2005 11:08

Is there anyone who had seen a turkey twizzler before last night?

Beatie · 03/03/2005 11:09

I think the issue with fish fingers may be the colouring that's in the batter/breadcrumbs. I may be wrong though.

velcrobott · 03/03/2005 11:09

Poshpaws... maybe it's all that sugar that makes him run and be so active? Don't mean to offend but it could be that .

When you all talk about the kids not recognising vegetables... worrying they could recognise all the logos... I don't think my kids would recognise Dominos!!!!

bundle · 03/03/2005 11:09

there was a big article in the Guardian the other week about them, which caused a bit of a rumpus in the school dinners world..(before that I had been blissfully ignorant)

snafu · 03/03/2005 11:09

Beatie, I'm not disagreeing with you about the food in a private school. I went to one for 14 years and the food was always vile - and this was 15 years ago!

I didn't actually take his comment as a private vs state jibe in that sense, though. I thought he was just trying to pre-empt those people who would say 'Oh, what does he care, his kids will go to some poncy expensive school anyway.' Rightly or wrongly, there will be people watching that programme who would be thinking that.

sacha3taylor · 03/03/2005 11:10

I'm afraid I had, DS & DD had them once and refused to eat them

bundle · 03/03/2005 11:12

guardian article (WARNING: THERE IS A PICTURE OF UNCOOKED TURKEY TWIZZLERS IN THIS ARTICLE)

Poshpaws · 03/03/2005 11:12

Er...no! He has about a biscuit a day (Rich Tea), and that is only if he has behaved himself when I have picked him up from nursery.

Beatie · 03/03/2005 11:12

Snafu - I too think he was making the point of caring about other people's children and not just his own. But then, we'd assume JO's children would eat fine food whatever type of school they went to. He'd either find one with great school meals or send his own lunches.

Caligula · 03/03/2005 11:12

I agree with puddle about having to have crap in for playdates. I had one little boy round and his mum said "he'll eat chicken nuggets, burgers, fishfingers". I had to go to the bloody supermarket to buy some crap, I was really miffed.

I don't think I'll do that again though. I think I might get more hardline about this. But then you run the risk of being thought of as snooty by other mums because you don't have chicken nuggets in the freezer...

bundle · 03/03/2005 11:13

(there's a link on that page to another article with a great title: How Scotland Told Bernard Matthews to Get Stuffed)

Beatie · 03/03/2005 11:15

OMG Bundle - now I realise that the vomit-inducing twizzler I saw last night was a cooked one. I think I've been put off food all day having seen the uncooked version.

soapbox · 03/03/2005 11:15

On teh fish finger front - having seen them made - I wouldn't eat them myself! Bascially the fish is bought in blocks, flozen at sea - massive big blocks of the stuff. It is then sawn into fish finger shapes. All of the fish dust is hoovered from the air, floors everywhere and then circulated back into manufacturing process as fillers.

My DH is an exunilever man - and I can safely say that at the end of the day the main difference between Birdeye fish fingers and most other types is the massive advertising budget

I would say that to be sure of what you are eating, I would only ever buy ones where the fish 'flakes' from one obviously whole piece of fish when you cut it. If it is a minced looking version when you cut into it - I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Having said that though the same place made all the chilled fish based products for M&S and Waitrose and they were quite a bit better prepared with much better and 'normal' ingredient lists!