The Tudors again....

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It is awful isn't it but I watched the latest episode to the end with my mother. She felt that JRMyers is unforgiveably young for the role and should have been more fetid looking and more like the paintings we have of him.

And all that 'madge' stuff and Anne sobbing in her bed and Anne's brother and the hugely gay musician, and Henry trying to give Anne one and her refusing. It's all so lame somehow. When the real story was pretty exciting!

Ah yes, her son was killed too?

Just blokes on the mug. Sexist, as well as snobby!

no, he went into exile until Mary took the throne.

I had heard, but not checked on google, that Mary Queen of Scots took 14 blows before her head came off.

Either a strong neck or a rotten axeman.

MONKEY!

Would they die at the first blow if it landed on the neck?

apparently her head came off without too much fuss.

her execution is much recorded in history.

she was, however, wearing a red-haired wig, so when the executioner picked up her head by it it fell out.

it's also recorded that her lips moved in prayer for some minutes after her head was severed and that one of her little dogs was found hiding under her skirts after her execution.

barf.

she was not moved to westminster abbey until her son, who more than willingly sold her up river in order to have both thrones, moved her remains there.

ann, of course, was executed by a French swordsman.

she had been given his time of arrival, and stayed up all night preparing herself (not to mention workman working round the clock outside her quarters to erect her scaffold), only to be told he had been delayed by bad road conditions, so she had to wait another day.

In the book 'The other Boelyn girl' it suggests that Ann thought she might be pardoned by Henry at the last minute and sent to a nunnery. Is that true?

yes and no. it's hard to say definitevely.

she did rather poignantly dress all in white for her execution. her hair was so long she could sit on it, as was Catherine of Aragon's, and she bound it up so that her neck was clear.

as she was escorted to the scaffold, she kept looking behind her.

she almost certainly was not guilty of the crimes for which she was executed.

henry never mentioned her name again after her death.

So was her brother guilty of the crimes for which he was executed?

hard to say because there's evidence he was tortured.

God it must have been grim.
In that Tudors programme they were executing someone by lowering them into a tub of boiling water a few weeks ago. WTF? It's horrible.

now i've heard of people murdering each other in such a way.

there was a family, oh back in the days of Edward IV or summat like that, nevilles, i think there were.

and too many sons survived to maturity and there wasn't enough to go round when it came to inheritence time so they started to get hateful.

one brother murdered another by drowning him in a vat of wine.

then of course, there are the Princes in the Tower. the sons of Edward IV who were almost certainly murdered by or on orders of their father's brother, who wanted the throne for himself. either strangled or stabbed in their bed.

I love this programme, even though it is not historically accurate in the slightest!

Felt very sorry for Anne when her dad was telling her off for having a miscarriage

her dad really was a bit of a bastard

I've only seen bits of it as ds1 is still hovering about usually and I don't want him coming down to witness the romping etc. Can't find it on i-player. Will probably end up buying the box set.

I've just bought a really good biography of Anne so I can find out what really happened. She was obviously not as bad as she has been made out to be.

So was she not really an absolute bitch?

She was a bit of a conniving person, LaVie, who could hold a grudge that could quite literally be the death of you.

She was definitely complicit in the deaths of Thomas More and John Fisher, among others, as well as the near deaths of quite a few of her enemies.

'Sir TM got the chop, DP was surprised, LOL!! He said 'oh I didn't see that coming, I thought he was going to call it off at the last minute or something, I didn't know he had that bloke really killed.'

true Expat, but I don't believe she deserved to be killed ( well, who does?) She was definitely conniving as she had been brought up to be but once she became queen she lost a lot of her power over Henry as she was then controlled by him.

And she had a lot of enemies (of her own making no doubt!) who then made sure to turn Henry against her. The fact that she didn't have a son (hardly her fault) didn't help her cause either.

well, no, she didn't deserve to be killed.

but nor did so many she plotted to have knocked off.

more was asked if he bore her any ill will, it was common knowledge she pressed henry to have him executed even after he'd resigned/retired, and he correctly predicted that she would reap what she sowed.

not to mention, her treatment of mary tudor was utterly appalling. it really was.

well, no, she didn't deserve to be killed.

but nor did so many she plotted to have knocked off.

more was asked if he bore her any ill will, it was common knowledge she pressed henry to have him executed even after he'd resigned/retired, and he correctly predicted that she would reap what she sowed.

not to mention, her treatment of mary tudor was utterly appalling. it really was.

Haven't got that far in her biography yet Expat. I think I want to believe that she was just doing what her dad told her?

Alright, she was an evil cowbag