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Can we have a "OMG, just how BAD is The Tudors" thread please?

65 replies

beansprout · 08/08/2008 21:05

Pretty please?

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Elasticwoman · 08/08/2008 21:12

sshh! everyone's watching it.

Are you an historian or something beansprout?

beansprout · 08/08/2008 21:14

Not really, just have an interest in this period.

I didn't watch last week but it's already shockingly bad!

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ipanemagirl · 08/08/2008 22:20

OHMIGOD!!!!

It is so bad that it has gone through such extreme awfulness that it is almost wonderful in its badness!

The incalculable number of improbabilities!
The Royal Hand Job!
The pouting!
The Dialogue!
The actor playing Henry - such great HAMMING!!!
Suffolk shagging that lady in waiting with her baps out by that tree!!

But I do quite like the actress playing Anne, she is very lovely. But it's just all so wrong!

It's for the yanks innit?

liath · 08/08/2008 22:34

It's so dreadful! But such a guilty pleasure .

Henry Tudor, the Soft Porn Years....

mazzystar · 08/08/2008 22:38

it's hilarious
i didn't realise everyone was so up for it good-looking in the olden days

TwoIfBySea · 09/08/2008 00:03

I try to watch it in a way that I pretend I don't know anything about history. But I am studying history. It is too much! I know they said it is not a documentary and fair enough but it is like fingernails down a blackboard sometimes.

TinkerBellesMum · 09/08/2008 00:16

I'm trying to appreciate it as a series and not over think what's happening in it.

Are PoV doing a showing with historians again this year to point out how bad it is? My TV is down at the moment (thankful for iplayer) so didn't see PoV last week.

TinkerBellesMum · 09/08/2008 00:17

Def for Yanks!

beansprout · 09/08/2008 09:12

Love the incident by the tree - "Turn 'round love, they can't see yer tits".

And er, wasn't Henry a good few years older than Anne? How old was he when he married K of Aragon then? Eight?!

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hatcam · 09/08/2008 09:24

Totally hilarious. I laughed so much I thought I might give birth (32 weeks). I just love the pouting to camera - very Crossroads in Tudor costume, a little bit Bold and the Beautiful.

The Royal hand job was a classic, but my favourite bit was the comedy covering up of parts with Tudor knick knacks at the end..."go find some more phallic objects to put in the foreground serf, lest we see the royal knob". Very Austin Powers (sausages in foreground etc).

What no suckling pigs though? Thought this was essential for any period costume feast seen? Oh pardon me, they were too busy finding a bangra beat for the indian dance scene (that'll be pre-exploration era then).

Still laughing into bran flakes. Can't wait for next week.

Elasticwoman · 09/08/2008 10:39

I noticed Anne Boleyn forgot to put her vest on for the masked dancing.

As for Henry - come back Ray Winstone, all is forgiven!

cornsilk · 09/08/2008 10:42

I love pouting Henry. It's fab - haven't seen this week's yet.

ipanemagirl · 09/08/2008 11:12

The dancing! How totally utterly improbable!

TinkerBellesMum · 10/08/2008 22:39

Just read in my baby name book that Harry has only been used as a shortening for Henry in the last 100 years. So much for "The time for 'Harry' has passed"!

expatinscotland · 10/08/2008 22:43

dark-headed henry.

ann with blue eyes.

they did sort of okay with thomas more, he wasn't an attractive man, but he is very much recorded in history and NEVER made such a statement to the king.

he was a consummate stateman and diplomat but was far, far too clever to have affronted his king.

in fact, he tried just about everything to get out of it all.

henry immediately regretted having him executed and when thomas was asked if he bore any ill will towards ann bolelyn, he responded in the negative as he correctly predicted that she would one day meet a fate similar to his.

cornsilk · 10/08/2008 23:51

why was thomas more executed?

ipanemagirl · 11/08/2008 00:00

"He was beheaded in 1535 when he refused to sign the Act of Succession that would make Henry VIII Supreme Head of the Church in England." from wikipedia

He was very shrewd and never said anything without huge care, he tried to avoid the whole situation by retiring but his 'vote' counted for a lot as Henry knew.

Re Harry what about 'Cry ?God for Harry, England, and Saint George!' from Henry V (1598ish)?

TinkerBellesMum · 11/08/2008 00:06

Dunno, but that's what my baby name book said lol. I'll have a look in more places see if it's just something random in that book.

cornsilk · 11/08/2008 00:06

I know bugger all about history. That's probably why this programme appeals to me. I did spot the hair though. And could Henry have been quite so camp?

VeronicaMars · 11/08/2008 00:15

Here come the lap dancers

expatinscotland · 11/08/2008 00:22

it was one line he (More) just couldn't bring himself to cross.

in theory, he had no genuine problems with many elements of Protestantism, indeed, his favourite daughter, margaret, was married to one. he did have a problem with Henry's use of it, however, as he believed, arguably rightly, that Henry was using it to force his own way rather than because of a true theological conflict of the conscience.

and so, the entire problem with his refusing to take that oath lasted years before he was finally executed.

he tried everything a man of his considerable intelligence could think of to get out of it, adhering to the immortal line, 'give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.'

thomas and his wife, however, being the clever people they were, did managed to hide most of their considerable assets (dame alice was his second wife, who brought to the marriage her own wealth after her first husband, like thomas's first wife, had died).

thomas was a strong proponent of women's education and the place of women in society, insisting that his three daughters, stepdaughters and his wealthy ward, who later married his only son, were educated to a standard that was remarkable for women of that age.

margaret roper, his daughter, was often termed 'the cleverest woman in christiandom' during her life.

'i die the king's good servant. but God's first.'

cornsilk · 11/08/2008 00:26

Are you a historian expat? I am very impressed!

expatinscotland · 11/08/2008 00:29

No. I was brought up a Roman Catholic. The church we attended was St. Thomas More, although most of what I have read about him from a historical standpoint is by secular historians as he is indeed an interesting subject.

We did have to read Utopia and some of his other work in philosophy class at university.

cornsilk · 11/08/2008 00:33

Well I'm impressed that you've absorbed all that information anyway.

expatinscotland · 11/08/2008 00:37

also the series plays down the fact that henry himself was very highly educated.

and most of his marriage to catherine was very happy.

and that the chief reasons his annulment of that marriage wasn't granted were a) the Pope at the time was a prisoner of catherine's nephew b) henry and catherine had been given papal dispensation to marry in the first place.

catherine swore to her dying day that her first marriage, to henry's elder brother, had never been consummated. and, given her profound religious belief and lack of evidence, there's no hard reason not to believe her.

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