Big Brother ITV2 - Thread 4

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Carry on Alarming

I wondered if they offered her the opportunity to sleep in a separate room last night but she said no because she wanted to make up with him.

Just speculating obviously. If so they didn't show that part of the conversation.

Interestingly they talked about it on the chat show after and none of them (rightly so) was comfortable with it. I strongly suspect he will be marched off today - the volume of complaints alone will have BB very worried. I have no doubt her own parents are seething mad. I would have expected more of Lynx - he should have stepped in and said something. Cat is trying her best to make him see sense and get the dominant male on her side bless her. I won’t be able to watch anymore this evening if it’s allowed to continue.

Yes, the youngest and one of the most vulnerable due to being a late arrival and near bottom of the pecking order - Cat is being the strongest at recognising and calling out Omar’s abusive behaviour -
The old lags - R and P too far up their own arses to support a young and vulnerable woman - R by stepping in,
Yasmin, who usually has plenty to say seems content to see the abuse as entertainment not concerning ….
only Cat and increasingly Twinks is calling it out ….
really hope They don’t gloss over this on the after show, Kate Lawler has been increasingly showing her dislike of Omar and his abuse, but it’s obvious that they aren’t allowed to be very clear on that - Lee Pearlt was fab !!

It is if you’re part of the Mandem. (He’s referred to them before.)

Re Lynx, someone said something about him being best mates with Josh Molnar so I went looking, and he apparently made some social media comment like ‘he got off with it’. Can’t unsee that.

Also agree he just doesn’t care about any of the others. That said he really is so glaringly fence-sitting with his comments in conversations. He won’t win so I suppose it doesn’t matter that he’ll coast to the final.

I felt so sad for Rhianna watching and listening to the coercive, controlling manipulation by Omar. It was awful! Poor girl, apologising over and over again when she has done nothing wrong. Not one of the other housemates confronted his behaviour and when Rhianna was called into the diary room, she has no concept of what is happening to her. For BB to simply ask 'are you okay?' is not good enough. No, she was not okay and needed somebody, preferably BB, to step in to protect her and to stop Omar having anything to do with her.

What part of him, a very young man, thinks it is okay to treat women this way? All the others are bystanders but looking the other way. It is very disturbing.

There’s another nominations twist this week and in the sneak peek Sam looks really pissed off. Rochelle being a fucking bully about Twinks again. Horrible woman.

Itv/Bb have issued a statement about Omar apparently

Usual guff about welfare and respect training and safeguarding, monitoring 24 hours and inappropriate behaviour will be dealt with blah blah

Sorry - can't post a copy but it's a fudge. The situation is increasing viewing figures, top and bottom of it.

https://womensaid.org.uk/response-to-controlling-behaviour-on-big-brother/

It is getting plenty of attention, sadly for WA, it will be seen as a win for ITV bosses.

I really think that Rhianna is sticking with Omar, and staying with him/by him even though he is being horribly abusive and manipulative, gaslighting her and all, because she very likely has been fortunate enough to not experience this behaviour from a man before. So she doesn't know how to navigate it, or what she should be doing/how she should be behaving... Also... she's kind of trapped in there at the moment.

I have to say, and I mean this, if this was my daughter, I would be doing my level best to get Rhianna out of the house. I would NOT want her near this young man for another single day. Surely her family are seeing what is going on, why are her family not intervening? She is so young. (Only just turned 22.) She has a privileged life too, and I wouldn't imagine she has experienced many bad things. So, as I say, she is very likely struggling with how to deal with this.

Omar is in for a shock when he leaves the house. I don’t condone his behaviour at all but I do worry how things get so amplified and whipped into hysteria. Yes, he needs to learn and know he’s in the wrong but he’s still so young. I don’t want to see his life ruined any more than I want Rhianna hurt by this. I suspect once she’s out and away from him she’ll be fine, though.

edited to say. I’ve just seen some of his press re getting arrested and spitting some misogynistic rhymes. I suppose I was just thinking of giving him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn’t realise how bad his behaviour is, but he probably is a Tate supporter.

Also I’d forgotten what he said in his VT about wanting lots of wives, so yeah. Fuck him.

I really think that Rhianna is sticking with Omar, and staying with him/by him even though he is being horribly abusive and manipulative, gaslighting her and all, because she very likely has been fortunate enough to not experience this behaviour from a man before

Yes, @LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway, I think those of us who have fallen foul to this type of controlling, abusive behaviour didn't know what we were navigating. I remember bending myself out of natural shape to be accommodating and understanding, often apologizing too. I had done absolutely nothing wrong but these men are so skilled at manipulation and they sniff out those who are either naive, vulnerable or both. They know who they can chip away at and it's a real challenge to do it with accomplished women, chip chipping chipping away..

I was significantly older than Rhianna, having spent my 20s studying and travelling. I had never heard of the term red flag. These abusers cross culture, religion, class, education.. they are all collectively skilled at behaving in the same way and their tactics are text book.

We know so much more now. This is why last night was such difficult viewing.

For someone so young I find him shockingly adept at his manipulation.

This will be entrenched too, whether from the manosphere or his upbringing, he clearly functions in a way that needs to treat Rhianna like this. I don't imagine this is the only time he has behaved like this.

I'm glad they showed it for so many reasons, not least that Rhianna will know that we all saw what she saw, she was not imagining it. But BB should have spoken to Omar and put him in another room for the night.

I see on that Reddit thread someone said Philip is nasty when he drinks. Is this why he isn't drinking in the house?

I’ve edited. He is, as you say, extremely skilled at manipulation.

I wondered about this. The other night Twinks asked if he was having an alcoholic beverage and he got really shitty with her. (For a change.)

That explains it, then. Doesn’t want to get pissed on tv but doesn’t realise we can all see how thoroughly unpleasant he is sober.

I want Rochelle out even more than him, though. Remember how she initially reacted to johanne and people were saying she’d lived a sheltered life, etc. For all her faults Johanne clearly saw Rochelle for what she was from the outset.

Put Johanne back in!

I'd like a double eviction with Omar and Philip gone. They are the most oppressive in the house so it will completely change with them gone. Rochelle is nasty but doesn't give out the same malevolent presence as those two.

Oh, she does. Her face contorts when she’s slagging people off. She’s slightly less obvious about it but she’s skilled with the old - dare I say it - micro aggressions.

Edit. Such as with Yasmin’s weight. I’ll admit I had to look up whether microaggessions could be weight-based!

Yes!

FFS Don't call for Johanne back. She was abusive as well. The dominating stance, the hectoring tone, shouting down her opponent, repeating loud phrases over and over so they can't be heard, pointing directly into face, calling people devils and saying they're the cancer of the house etc. Foul woman.

I'm so sorry to hear you were a victim to this kind of behaviour/this kind of man, and as I said further back in the thread, I think many women will recognise this kind of behaviour after being in a relationship with a man like this, who exhibits this kind of behaviour... As you say, you often don't realise it's going on for quite a while, and are constantly apologising for things you haven't done, just so he doesn't get angry, and to pacify and appease him. It's horrible and it's scary, and it's chilling watching it happen to Rhianna.

Yes, she was awful. When she was due to be evicted, I thought 'PLEASE don't let her be in a secret part of the house, 'spying' on the other housemates, just to re-appear in 3 or 4 days.' I still dread her coming back LOL!!!

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Agree with @WallaceinAnderland too. Would love to see Philip and Omar gone. Hope it's a double eviction this week, and that these 2 are up!