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The Tony Blair Story

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mumofoneAloneandwell · 17/02/2026 22:12

Late night with dd - I’ve put it on in the background on +1

is anyone watching? 👀

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FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 18:06

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/02/2026 17:58

I think I might have to give it a watch and just skip episode two.

I just googled the stuff about the talk of the premonition with John Smith's death and I don't quite know what to make of it. So he had a premonition that John would for of a heart attack and he and Cherie started plotting a leadership bid even though JS was still very much alive.

I know they say that truth is stranger than fiction, but is this was an Agatha Christie then Tony and Cherie would be probably have had Poirot on their trail before they could blink.

My mum has always called John Smith the best prime minister we never had and I suspect she's probably right.

It was a bit odd, but then Blair knew that Smith had a heart condition, so I wonder if it was less of a premonition and more planning ahead for a likely eventually, perhaps? Brown wanted to be the successor so Cherie persuaded Tony not to be "the nice guy" and give in to Brown, but assert himself.
The rest is history.

billysboy · 18/02/2026 18:13

Gordon brown sold all of our gold and created loads of jobs Tony Blair then gave them all to Eastern Europeans promised all our kids they could go to uni and then be captains of industry

SwedishEdith · 18/02/2026 18:41

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 18:06

It was a bit odd, but then Blair knew that Smith had a heart condition, so I wonder if it was less of a premonition and more planning ahead for a likely eventually, perhaps? Brown wanted to be the successor so Cherie persuaded Tony not to be "the nice guy" and give in to Brown, but assert himself.
The rest is history.

That's how I interpreted it. And Cherie saying he needed to step up for the country and she was right. My baby was about a month old when he won and the sense of hope and a cloud lifting was overwhelming.

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 18:43

SwedishEdith · 18/02/2026 18:41

That's how I interpreted it. And Cherie saying he needed to step up for the country and she was right. My baby was about a month old when he won and the sense of hope and a cloud lifting was overwhelming.

Yes, I agree. It was definitely such a time of hope.
There was a touching scene in a Working Men's Club when the results were announced and these tough old working class men were crying.

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 18:43

It's an interesting what-if - if Brown had become leader after Smith died, would Labour still have won the election? I think they would but not with such a thumping majority.

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 18:43

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 18:43

It's an interesting what-if - if Brown had become leader after Smith died, would Labour still have won the election? I think they would but not with such a thumping majority.

Good question. Maybe not a landslide?

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 18:44

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 18:43

Good question. Maybe not a landslide?

Also, if Brown had called an election in 2008/9, would he have won?

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 18:46

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 18:44

Also, if Brown had called an election in 2008/9, would he have won?

Soon after the Crash? I think we were 3 days from not being able to use cards or cash machines and he averted that, so maybe.

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 18:53

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 18:46

Soon after the Crash? I think we were 3 days from not being able to use cards or cash machines and he averted that, so maybe.

I remember people speculating that he was going to call one but then backed down. At the time, I think he was seen as dealing with it better than some countries. If he'd won, we'd probably still have had some form of austerity but maybe not fecking Brexit.

SwedishEdith · 18/02/2026 18:56

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 18:44

Also, if Brown had called an election in 2008/9, would he have won?

I remember discussing this at work at the time. I think the time from him becoming leader and then calling an election and the time it usually takes to have an election campaign meant the crash would have started/be emerging as the GE was due. Very fine timings, I seem to remember.

Sminty2 · 18/02/2026 18:58

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 18:46

Soon after the Crash? I think we were 3 days from not being able to use cards or cash machines and he averted that, so maybe.

It’s a bit long but definitely worth reading on how GB averted the global financial meltdown

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/feb/21/gordon-brown-saved-banks

The weekend Gordon Brown saved the banks from the abyss

The Prime Minister's leadership qualities were to the fore on the weekend in October 2008 when financial calamity was so close

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/feb/21/gordon-brown-saved-banks

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 19:00

Thanks, @Sminty2 . It was certainly a global crisis.

iloveautumn3 · 18/02/2026 19:00

crumpetswithcheeze · 17/02/2026 23:04

Blair should be in prison for war crimes.

I agree

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 19:01

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 18:53

I remember people speculating that he was going to call one but then backed down. At the time, I think he was seen as dealing with it better than some countries. If he'd won, we'd probably still have had some form of austerity but maybe not fecking Brexit.

I agree. Certainly not the Cameron programme which bit hard in schools straight away.

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 19:08

Thanks for the article, @Sminty2 , a good read. It was certainly the only decision, to recapitalise the banks. I do wonder what his critics would have done. Allowed the banks to collapse? It doesn't bear thinking about.

Sminty2 · 18/02/2026 19:24

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 19:08

Thanks for the article, @Sminty2 , a good read. It was certainly the only decision, to recapitalise the banks. I do wonder what his critics would have done. Allowed the banks to collapse? It doesn't bear thinking about.

It doesn’t and I remember how frightening it was at the time, there was palpable fear that there would be no money and insurrection would follow.

I think his (GB’s) greatest strength was that he allowed Darling to say ‘this is the line’ and was prepared for the possible coup. It was a brave decision, but one that was needed to focus people on the problem, not just slide into yet another quick fix, with the inevitable repetition a month later.

Few politicians have that presence of mind.

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 19:29

That showed real statesmanship and courage. I admire both Brown and Darling for that. It could have been 1929 all over again.
They were never fully recognised for that.
In a lesser way I admired Blair for deciding to resign if he lost the Commons vote and the mandate for the war on Iraq. He told his children that they may have to move out by the end of the week. I think it all brings it home what it's like to actually have to make these decisions.

SwedishEdith · 18/02/2026 19:34

God forbid that Farage is ever PM but you simply cannot imagine him making such serious decisions.

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 19:36

That's the difference, isn't it? Working towards a secure and better nation, even at personal cost, or just wanting power and control.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/02/2026 20:27

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 18:44

Also, if Brown had called an election in 2008/9, would he have won?

I'm sure I remember rumblings about a potential GE in the autumn of 2007 and the consensus being Gordon would've probably scraped a majority but then nothing came of it.

Parsley4321 · 18/02/2026 20:58

David Kelly Blair has his blood on his hands

SwedishEdith · 18/02/2026 21:24

Watching part 2 now. He definitely got better looking as he got older.

Sminty2 · 18/02/2026 21:28

Watching this, he seems as if he really was a Paladin to Bush’s Charlemagne.

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/02/2026 21:40

Fucking Bush.

Foggytree · 18/02/2026 21:42

FleurDeFleur · 18/02/2026 14:47

I've always found Alistair Campbell to be an interesting character as well.
The contributions from Robert Harris I found enlightening.

Alistair Campbell has come across better in the intervening years but at the time he came across as an unpleasant bully.

Haven't seen this doc yet, but did see the one on the rise of New Labour. Will have to watch.