Celeb Traitors #4 - Will the Faithful ever find a Traitor?

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Carrying on the discussion.

Also, whoever was asking for the soundtrack, there are playlists from all the seasons on spotify. I quite like to run to them!

I don't think JR is being saved because he is powerful in the industry. I can see why TRIE would think that because they see everything through a show business lens, but i think he is staying in for the same reason Paul went under the radar for so long. They are similar types of characters in there and people find it hard to be brave and mention their names because they know that it will make them a target.

I suspect Nick is going to be Jaz, unable to actually get enough people on board with his theories. To much caution is a bad as too little.

It's a good thing SF went because I think the humble grandfather was about to crack and show his ego.

I'm sticking with Alan to win still.

I wonder if there have been conversations between Cat and Jonathan in the tower, about her mentioning him and so far not voting for him - but he must want to know her plan (though it probably is throwing him under the bus, so she won't actually say so!).

I like the interactions too 🙂
But it is starting to get a bit stale. If anything i wonder if some of the players are being coy about their "I don't know who it is" act. Why vote of Jonathan to be replaced by a complete unknown, when you can wait until closer to the endgame to get rid of him? Admittedly risky. Nick has it right, ally yourself with traitors to get to the endgame.
It's not really much of a game though if it is so obviously favoured for one side to "win". The only series where the Faithful have ever won was UK S1 I believe, and that's arguably because the remaining traitor was sold out in a move which was then banned in later seasons!
Tbf this kind of thing has been discussed in previous series and I don't think anyone has come up with a good suggestion 🙂

Quite. She also got a lot of hate getting for being rude and aggressive. She was on Uncloaked this week with Alexander, and I thought she was pleasant and perceptive when asked about the tactics.

I'm going to say this again, but the round table is supposed to last HOURS in reality, so we only see the juicier bits, I suppose. It shows the worst of the contestants, being defensive, offensive, aggressive, combative etc.

There have been many times when they seem to appear as a completely different person on Uncloaked, and opinions are revised.

The only series where the Faithful have ever won was UK S1 I believe

And UK S3. Actually, so far there’s only been one UK series with a Traitor win

I do think at this stage, it will be a Traitors victory. Are we down to just 6 faithfuls now?

I don’t think that people are scared of JR and his sway in the industry. I think he’s got the gift of the gab and directs the round table conversation at the start. He’s also been fairly good in the trials.
I very much doubt the production team weren’t aware that Alan isn’t as ditzy as he makes out. They’re much more likely to have seen his other side during negotiations and the process to interview and recruit the traitors. The rest of us have only seen tv Alan.

I think so, and it will be 5 after the murder

Yes - and the ending of the last series when there were only Faithfuls left was a bit of an anti-climax.

Lucy voted for Jonathan.

I don't think he's doing a good job with showing he's no less "dim witted" than the others. He was so wrong about Mark and should have gone for Jonathan instead that evening.

He should have gone for Jonathan earlier he was talking about "cutting off the snake head" then voted Mark made no sense.

Do you think the Traitors were negotiated with beforehand, to determine if they were willing to be traitors? I know they showed the interviews where they were asked (which might have been scripted and done later) but more than a few would have been happy to be traitors. So even if the production team decided in advance who it would be, I wonder if they told the actual celebs first. I think in the civilian show they don't tell them. I assumed that in the car etc, Jonathan didn't know he would be a traitor - that seemed genuine to me. So they wouldn't have been negoatiations with Alan in advance, other than maybe theoretically about whether he would agree to be a traitor if chosen?

I thought that only people who said they were happy to be traitors were actually picked as traitors? I am sure I read/heard that somewhere. E.g Mark vehemently didn’t want to be a traitor so they would never pick him as one at the start - obviously if people are recruited during the game that is different.

I think it’s probably in their contracts that they have to be willing to play as either Traitors or Faithful. I suspect the production team know in advance who they want to be the initial group, with a backup if someone “chosen” unexpectedly says they want to be Faithful.

There are always going to be enough people in a group of 19 who want to be traitors.

On the civilians series, Claudia asks on the first day in the castle and people tell her and their wishes are honoured (and kept secret). I'm sure it was the same here. You couldn't have her pick a traitor and them start to freak out, they'd have to film the whole selection scene from scratch. Most people do want to be traitors (I'd want to be a faithful)

I wouldn’t mind giving the traitor part a go, but I feel I’d be bad at it. Probably better as a faithful.

They don't exactly pretend they've slept at the castle - they never say so, and always clearly show the cars pulling up outside in the morning, dropping people off. And then they enter the breakfast room in threes and fours, ie the number that would be in one car. But then they have those weird little bits where they show someone reading in bed or whatever and it's in a carved wooden four-poster or something, in the kind of room you'd expect in the castle. I mean, they should pick a lane on what they want us to think, because it just looks daft.

He cracks me up. Although I think he’s blown his cover with forgetting he had a shield.

It's just theatre as part of the general Gothic campness - a scene of someone reading their book in bed in the Courtyard Marriott wouldn't work, I don't think it's that deep. They cant sleep in the castle, there aren't enough bedrooms.

I thought someone said that about Boris Johnson?
I don't think he's not clever, but I don't think he's a 'genius' and way above the others. As has been said on this thread, Clare B also has a Cambridge degree, and doesn't Nick have a PhD in something impenetrable?
Sadly, they are susceptible as we all are to the aura of a privileged white man.

Some of them may well know him from other jobs too.

I think there is a bit of an arts/science divide here. SF is incredibly well read and knowledgable, which has high value in the arts and humanities. Being able to speak multiple languages, quote from ancient greek philosophers etc. Fry is excellent at that, he's intuitive and creative. Being an historian David admires that knowledge base.

It's very different from scientific reasoning which is data driven, analytical, evidence based. When something which could be called "evidence" is noticed and mentioned to Fry he would say "oh yes...." but I'm not sure he was very proactive in taking that approach.

SF is not really a polymath in the sense that he could bring those two approaches together, he's no Sherlock Holmes. He falls down all the time wrt to facts/evidence. Ironically I think David himself has displayed more of that.....