Celeb Traitors #3. The big dogs vs the cat, banshees, farts & what Claudia wore next.

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Carrying on with the love for the two Joes.

It’s always interesting to see a self-righteous young person like Ruth go on the warpath against someone she hates for who he is (straight, white, old man), completely fabricating a flimsy justification for it in the process. And all that stuff about how she’s the “only person who speaks her mind,” made her come across as quite arrogant and aggressive.

I don’t think she did herself any favours with her short run on the show. Even Niko and Paloma managed to leave better impressions in the short time they had.

It’s because the show is edited in reverse. Once the result is known they edit it so that those who go out earlier get more airtime. If your favourite is not getting much screen time at the moment it’s a good thing - means they are in it for the long haul!

The actual Traitors always get more time than the Faithful so it’s normal for the to to be a lot of Johnathan right now.

He didn’t say it. You had Ruth and Niko who are young lesser well known people who are going into a group with people that will all know each other, who will all be famous and she felt lost. He was meaning that they knew him and Clare already and they would be their friends. Not that they would never vote for them.

I get the impression that David is very shy and quite uncomfortable in the presence of all these 'celebs'. He's a highly intelligent man, i'm not sure the same could be said of most of the people in there.

I am very much enjoying watching Alan and Jonathan, and Jonathan's ability to defend and deflect is a testament to his interpersonal skills (together with a certain heavyweight status which is nothing to do with the game). Can he last much longer though? Cat is absolutely making the most of the opportunity but is also fortunate that she isn't on people's radar. Love Joe W and Nick. If I were in there I would definitely think Celia was a Traitor, which shows I am just as clueless as the rest of them.

Yes i agree - but the non-celebrity one is similar; just you don't notice because you don't "know" them. Not usual in the Traitors in episide three or there abouts, to see someone speak abd think "Where did they come from!?'"

Finger's crossed Ross is next episide. Fry is ok, but he's getting air time purely due to who he is ad so far he's not been any more use than the others. In fact he's the standard bore of an insecure established celebrity. Endlessly needing praise and platitudes to coyly react to.

I agree that Jonathan clearly did not mean that they would make an alliance in the sense Ruth seems to think he did. He simply meant that the people in the car at the time were all people Niko knew, i.e. they could talk to each other, but surely no-one with any sense goes into Traitors expecting to make an alliance by which they will never vote against each other. It would be a ludicrously bad tactic.

Must admit I was getting quite worried about her standing in front of fires wearing those.

I think Claudia would be hyper aware of that as her own daughter was badly burnt when her Halloween costume caught fire.

I think Ruth must have missed the point of the show being called The Traitors. Even if she did believe that they made an alliance on the way in, the whole point of the show is in betraying people's trust. I don't want Jonathan to win, but I'm enjoying seeing him play the game.

I don’t disagree. And yet people on other series of Traitors do it all the time, and are hyper-aware of other contestants’ alliances to the point where traitors’ conclaves frequently involve murders specifically done to break up presumed alliances.

DS had me rewatching the first series of the UK Traitors recently, and the contestants are already making alliances on the train and in the cars before they even get to the castle, and the first murder (Aisha) was done specifically to start to break up and cause shock in what the Traitors’ perceived to be the ‘young group’.

I’m fascinated by how much unease and ire Ruth seems to have caused on here by being nakedly antagonistic towards JR, yet several people have also started threads on here saying ‘Have we forgotten JR, Russell Brand and Sachsgate?’

I’m fascinated by how much unease and ire Ruth seems to have caused on here by being nakedly antagonistic towards JR

I found her level of vitriol in her confessionals astonishing, and not in the spirit of the show, and it did indeed make me increasingly uncomfortable. Plus we have people on these threads claiming, "and Ruth knew he was a liar, because he said that, and Clare backed her up!" - when a quick replay of the conversation in question shows Ruth and Clare misremembered it completely.

I don’t think Ruth missed the point at all, she found some behaviour she found traitorous and pointed it out. It is fascinating how many people are crying about her accusing Jonathan of lying and being a traitor when he was lying and is a traitor. She may have taken a different perspective on the conversation but it’s not like the conversation didn’t happen at all, which is what he claimed.

I really hope he gets out soon.

It’s also enlightening to realise how many Jonathan Ross fans there are, I really didn’t think of him as being in anyway still relevant.

While I agree re alliances etc.. why is he denying he said it and not just explaining what he meant? He says he didn't say it at all and that to me is what has got suspicions raised.
I thought JR played a poor game by handing shield straight to SF surely he'd hold tight to it and say look I'm really feeling in the firing line today etc. I'd have acted v worried that day because of it looking like me cos of Ruth.. if that makes sense. Love Alan. Ct playing a good, off the radar game. JR had been doing well also except for Ruth going for him I don't think he'd have been mentioned.

He didn't remember the conversation, because they were telling him that he made an alliance, when the conversation was nothing like that.

This is the most crazy-making experience. People can rewatch the scene and see for themselves that he did not make an alliance - but if you were bloody-minded and wanted to believe from what was said that it did constitute making an alliance, then you would have to also agree that Clare made a fucking alliance. She certainly didn't remember doing that!

Of course he is lying as a Traitor - that's his job.

Actually, this is my first experience of Jonathan Ross. I have seen about two minutes of him interviewing someone on one of his talk shows several decades ago, and I recall he looked like a fleshy Bryan Ferry. That's all I know of him.

Never underestimate how many people may think very differently to onesself...

I found that interaction with the shield odd because of the way Stephen accepted it. He was like 'oh yes please I really need that' as if he needed it more than the others. Made be think of offering an older person a seat on a bus.

Then why are people complaining about her accusing him of lying? It’s easy to see how Ruth could have interpreted the conversation the way she did, even if she got it wrong. People often come away with different perspectives from the same conversation, she didn’t pluck the idea out of thin air.

It does feel like people are using this as a stick to unfairly beat her with because they didn’t take to her, and it’s coming across as pretty dicky tbh.

What do you see in him? He’s always been a smug git.

Couldn't agree more.

She’s an uncomfortably direct person, sure, but that was why she was cast. Like Alan Carr was cast to be silly and catty and Celia Imrie was cast to be an impish grande dame and Niko was cast because his YouTube fame rests largely on videos where he/his friends/other people attempts to pass themselves off as American, or PL football players or whatever.

Just as when Ruth pretended on Uncloaked that her ailing, old dog had died while she was in the game, briefly horrifying Ed Gamble before saying she was joking and her dog was fine,

Is it a cultural thing? Brits being terribly uncomfortable with direct dislike and suspicion?

I mean, I have no particularly strong feelings either way about either Ruth (of whom I’d never heard before the series) or Jonathan Ross (whose tv show I thought had ended years ago), but as a lot of people on here appear to dislike JR for Sachsgate and other things, I’m wondering why Ruth, who disliked him and was (correctly) suspicious of him, albeit for the wrong reason, is attracting such ire.

I enjoyed her immensely initially. I am not talking about her being "uncomfortably direct" making me uncomfortable. It was the level of vindictiveness and spite and the resentment and contempt in her voice. It really was unpleasant to watch,

Because he didn't lie. For the umpteenth time:

Niko: So there's a one in thirteen chance of being murdered tonight.
Jonathan, turning around from the front seat to chat: If you form alliances with people, that might swing it in your favour.
Clare: Yes. Some people know each other already.
Ruth: I don't know anyone.
Niko: We're in trouble.
Clare: No, you're not.
Jonathan: You've got two older allies here already.
Clare: Exactly.

Therefore, if JR is guilty of forming this dastardly alliance of four, then so is Clare.