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The jury

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NervyWegovy · 27/08/2025 21:41

Anyone watching this? Just starting the second episode and whilst flawed I find it very interesting how people interact within the jury

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Redrosesposies · 28/08/2025 22:12

It really isn't as easy as people think, being on a jury. I did it many, many years ago and just didn't think that the defendants should have been prosecuted for what they did (they wouldn't be now, there is no such charge any more).
The police set up a massive sting operation to catch them in the act which I thought was worse than the actual charge and a total waste of police resources for something that affected no one except the defendants and the defence barristers were pathetic, like they really couldn't be arsed putting up a decent defence.
I held out for many hours even though I knew that if the police were to be believed, they had broken the law. It was a stupid law.
They had to go with a majority verdict in the end because I refused to give in to the shouty men.

opencecilgee · 28/08/2025 22:15

@browneyes77

agree. Irritating people

there are a couple people if men who seem very sensible. The majority treat this as a game they want to win. its like they need their opinion to be validated

opencecilgee · 28/08/2025 22:16

Hope to hear some more points of view tomorrow during the deliberation

x2boys · 28/08/2025 22:25

opencecilgee · 28/08/2025 22:16

Hope to hear some more points of view tomorrow during the deliberation

I hope they go off facts and not swayed by emotions
I'm not sure I trust the British justice system to go by the beyond all reasonable doubt rather than emotions .

browneyes77 · 28/08/2025 22:26

opencecilgee · 28/08/2025 22:15

@browneyes77

agree. Irritating people

there are a couple people if men who seem very sensible. The majority treat this as a game they want to win. its like they need their opinion to be validated

The guy in the tanned coat seems relatively balanced.

Most of the men seem fairly reasonable, with the exception of the old bloke that hangs out with the two mouthy obnoxious ones.

It’s quite clear that many people are projecting and letting their own personal experiences cloud their judgement.

It one thing to be able to have a deeper understanding of a situation because you’ve been through something similar, I don’t think that’s a bad thing, but it’s remembering that how you dealt with it, isn’t how everyone will deal with it.

Many of them are making assumptions of how she should’ve behaved/what she should’ve done etc, but in reality everyone reacts differently to things and you can’t assume that there is ‘one normal’ way.

I’m still on the fence with my judgement of it all. I’ve swayed both ways listening to the evidence. And I’ve been through DV myself, but I’m also aware that some relationships have two equally volatile people in them. So it will be interesting to see what the original jury of the real trial decided compared to what this lot decide!

browneyes77 · 28/08/2025 22:29

opencecilgee · 28/08/2025 22:16

Hope to hear some more points of view tomorrow during the deliberation

Also be nice to hear a few other people speak and hear their opinions. There’s one lady I’ve not even heard anything from!

They seem to keep focussing on the loudest ones (the obnoxious trio mainly!)

somethingnewandexciting · 29/08/2025 01:51

I also think the 999 call will be the downfall - not just because of how calm she was, how she quite crossly told him to "turn over" which to me implied she could see blood but also that angry scream she did in the background - not a wail that was angst filled but very angry.

Don't get me wrong, he was abusive, arguably did far worse over a period of time to her and she likely snapped. However I don't believe she didn't see any blood and therefore knew he was in need of an ambulance and should have said there was blood to the caller.

The bit that I don't think we will ever know is if he was strangling her by the sink. My gut says yes. I think she might even have got a knife in the way she described by reaching back (I feel the cups not being moved isn't a sign it didn't happen there, it could have been half a meter to her right so not directly by the sink just on that side, for eg). My gut says she knew she had a knife and lashed out either while he was strangling her or just after. Then possibly felt relief, dissociated a bit, mentally justified it - she was obviously drunk which would have made it all less urgent with so many things going through her head to process. I am not sure whether this means that it was self defence or not, but I do think she knew she should have called the ambulance and he might have survived. That for me is the crux. In the last episode they proved the guy went out and came back with a weapon after strangling her, yet he got off with manslaughter. It feels fair for her to get off with manslaughter too if we are applying like for like (although I did think he had clearly premeditated a murder where it is not as clear here).

As for the women who are saying they had domestic abuse in the family and because they or their mum didn't kill their partner she must not be heard as a victim, it feels like survivors guilt. The guy shaking his head and commenting that it's all rubbish who hangs about with them has also not thought about what his mum went through, just that "well she didn't kill him so..." this simply can't be the mindset that people who survive abusive households tell, because they all think we wouldn't expect them to side against the abused and that therefore they are "thinking critically" when in reality it is the opposite and they are reacting to protect the abuser by not seeing it as bad as their own familial abuse. She had to be "punched in the face" goalposts, for eg. I didn't like also how she went on about how she admired the other mixed race woman as a sob story distraction from her own loud verbally obnoxious actions and what the guy was sharing beforehand. That woman simply can't listen and challenge her own pov - she shouts loudest and stops listening which is why they all get so frustrated with her. I hope her mum sits her down after this and talks to her properly about how she was abused and how she reacted, as it feels like she was protected from a lot of the realities to have such a naive view on what a domestic abuser looks like and how victims react.

PsychoHotSauce · 29/08/2025 11:07

Agree about the 999 call. The stabbing itself is (so far) believable as self defence. But essentially she 'let' him die which is when it crosses over into murder I think. Her decisions afterwards were not reactive, and not in self defence.

The only caveat to that is there really wasn't much blood at all, according to the pics. If she had said 'I didn't realise he was as badly hurt as he was' that's a bit more believable than 'I was scared' which was her justification for the 999 call.

Scared of what exactly? Him getting revenge if you saved his life? Or the police charging you with something? Either one means you weighed up the repercussions for yourself and made the decision it was better to let him die tbh.

opencecilgee · 29/08/2025 11:54

I fully believe the domestic violence although she seems pretty toxic herself

i also believe she was scared of him and that he strangled her. She was probably scared of the brother too

But ultimately, she didn’t try to help him. I think that is where she’s tipped this from self defence to manslaughter

x2boys · 29/08/2025 12:03

opencecilgee · 29/08/2025 11:54

I fully believe the domestic violence although she seems pretty toxic herself

i also believe she was scared of him and that he strangled her. She was probably scared of the brother too

But ultimately, she didn’t try to help him. I think that is where she’s tipped this from self defence to manslaughter

Agreed .

gladiator12 · 29/08/2025 12:57

It's interesting but have to say that I'm totally distracted by the fact that they never change their clothes? If it's all filmed on the same day it totally destroys the whole thing.

x2boys · 29/08/2025 12:59

I know at least try and make it plausible!

somethingnewandexciting · 29/08/2025 13:28

Particularly if they have so many filler shots of them walking home after each "day"

Londonmummy66 · 29/08/2025 14:31

Isn't the clothes thing the same as on Bake Off where they wear the same outfit for each round? I think they probably tell them to dress in the same clothes throughout filming as it makes it easier for the viewer to distinguish between them.

Ohmych · 29/08/2025 19:30

When I did jury service recently we were allowed to talk about the case between ourselves in our jury room as long as we were all there. Not just when we were deliberating. I would have loved all the food but we had none provided just a kettle.

opencecilgee · 29/08/2025 19:47

The clothes are so strange. Everyone is dressed the same each “day” . Even Sophie

why didn’t they suggest they change clothes to make it look like a new day?

opencecilgee · 29/08/2025 21:08

Dr Danbridge is describing some of the jurors!

Wintom · 29/08/2025 21:19

Is there no forensic evidence? Was there any blood splatter in the kitchen where she was allegedly strangled and grabbed the knife and stabbed him? The only blood shown is near the front door. This does not match her account.

x2boys · 29/08/2025 21:21

opencecilgee · 29/08/2025 21:08

Dr Danbridge is describing some of the jurors!

This is fascinating I'm not sure which way it's going to go or how they will reach a verdict
My own thoughts are it was an extremely toxic relationship on both sides I think he probably did strangel her at one point but not in the kitchen the way she described ir was to convenient, but the 999 call is still troubling me anyway we shall see!

x2boys · 29/08/2025 21:33

Imo they haven't proved it's murder beyond reasonable doubt but I think aquittal is wrong I would go for.manslaughter .

Helloautumnagain · 29/08/2025 21:35

Wintom · 29/08/2025 21:19

Is there no forensic evidence? Was there any blood splatter in the kitchen where she was allegedly strangled and grabbed the knife and stabbed him? The only blood shown is near the front door. This does not match her account.

It’s really annoyed me that this hasn’t come up, surely it’s key evidence?

Also, I may be wrong, but I didn’t think previous convictions were allowed to be raised in trials. I can’t believe someone only assume I must be wrong on this if they are replicating the real thing.

x2boys · 29/08/2025 21:45

Helloautumnagain · 29/08/2025 21:35

It’s really annoyed me that this hasn’t come up, surely it’s key evidence?

Also, I may be wrong, but I didn’t think previous convictions were allowed to be raised in trials. I can’t believe someone only assume I must be wrong on this if they are replicating the real thing.

I thought that about her previous convictions?

opencecilgee · 29/08/2025 21:45

It’s very odd isnt it? They did show a photo of some
grey carpet with a heavy blood pool! That’s surely the spot where the stab happened?

i feel like we have only heard half of the evidence

surely manslaughter is the obvious verdict here

opencecilgee · 29/08/2025 21:46

Cases like this should be reviewed and decided by legal professionals. Not average Joe

x2boys · 29/08/2025 21:48

opencecilgee · 29/08/2025 21:45

It’s very odd isnt it? They did show a photo of some
grey carpet with a heavy blood pool! That’s surely the spot where the stab happened?

i feel like we have only heard half of the evidence

surely manslaughter is the obvious verdict here

Imo it's manslaughter.
Aqittal I think is ridiculous.

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