Fred and Rose West Netflix

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What an odd and sick couple. I was too young when all this happened but the amount of missed opportunities to stop them! Fred tried to keep Fred out of it didn't he but she got rid of him It seems. Shame he killed himself he should have had to live with what he did.

no I don't give a shit about those cunts, I can cope
it's James

Fair enough.

I understand why is anything different right?

Not sure I get what you mean by this?

@athenaswrath why do you read all these books if they give you nightmares?

why are some murders visceral?

I don't want to make you sad

you're right, or maybe they're less nightmares

No just the dahmer one did. I have an interest in this kind of stuff, I want to get into work with it eventually, the human brain and mental health part of it fascinates me as such.

Like why people become these monsters kind of thing.

I felt the same when reading the book. It turned my stomach what they did to the women. How unfortunate it was that they met each other. The state of the house makes me feel sick plus knowing what went on there. Pair of unhinged bastards

he should have had to live with what he did.

He wouldn't have felt any remorse though, would he? He was a sadistic psychopath. The only thing that really upset him was Rose shunning him. He didn't care at all about his victims and never would. That said, him hanging himself cheated the families of their 'day in court', although that would've been an ordeal for them too. I'm just glad that Rose got convicted. I hadn't realised what a risk it was that she could've got away with it. Absolutely chilling case.

Also - the interviews with Janet Leach made me see how well Emily Watson captured her in Appropriate Adult, which I watched long ago. It's worth watching if you haven't seen it. Dominic West and Monica Dolan are scarily accurate too.

I wonder if the West case is so upsetting because they seemed so ordinary (apart from having loads of children) and it makes some of us think about circumstances we've been in in our lives and think 'there but for the grace of God go I'. Times when we've taken a lift from someone we didn't know well, or gone into a house to 'look at a decoration job' or just been somewhere when nobody knew where we were going?

Stuff like this freaks me out so much. My Dh wants to watch it but I'm really not sure
I never watch or read anything related to children

I’ve not watched yet but I will. I am in my 50s so remember the story well. I’ll never forget as long as I live the news story unfolding and the boxes of remains being brought out of the garden. I heard a podcast a few years ago recalling the story of one of the daughters. Fred told her all girls’ raped and abused them. She said she’d see other girls her age at school and they’d seem happy, she assumed there must be something wrong with her that they obviously didn’t mind what their dads were doing to them. Just beggars belief. Complete evil bastards.

I started this yesterday. I don’t usually like true crime at all as get really upset by it, but I have a bit of a morbid curiosity about this as I grew up in Cheltenham and a lot of people seem to have known Fred west. My mum remembers her mother talking about one of the victims and saying she had run off with the vicar, and when I worked at Gloucester Royal I worked with a student nurse who has a photo of fred west holding her as a baby as her parents lived on the same street. I know I’ll regret watching it , it’s so upsetting to think of what the women and kids went through. I was the same with the jimmy saville doc, watched it all in one evening then couldn’t sleep!

Some 20 years ago my friend on holiday listened to an audio book on them both.

there was one particular female police woman who kept trying to tell people/police that something wasn’t right. Children were taken out of school and sent elsewhere to live - supposedly/ yet never checked out

it took that police officer a long time to get anyone to listen

I am going to comment once on this thread and won't respond to any further questions...

I have met Rosemary West (and Myra Hindley) several times. A colleague met Peter Sutcliffe before he was arrested on several occasions (he knew his wife). And there is one thing that people fail to appreciate - to be a successful serial killer, you need to be quite ordinary. Oh, some of them are charming, or may even be charismatic. But above all they need to be ordinary. They do not generally stand out in crowds and don't have "monster" tatooed on their foreheads. Almost all contemporaneous adult accounts are hindsight - people may not intend to make up things, but equally they can't equate what they now know with what they thought previously; and that is before you factor in the attraction of possibly getting their 20 seconds of fame on the news or in the paper as an incentive. In 99% of cases the most truthful (but least interesting) comments are "they were very quiet" and "they seemed like a nice couple". People don't want to hear that "monsters" are actually quite like them!

Yes, on an odd occasion someone might piece together a few random things and consider it "strange", or a particularly sensitive person might get "a feeling". But if any of these things were indicative of anything at all, serial killers would be caught quicker and probably before they got the chance to become serial killers.

The simple fact is that whatever drives them to this compulsion, they appear in the main as very normal and ordinary people.

I used to walk past regularly to see my Mum at work - scary stuff!! The police took over her office for surveillance when it all kicked off, went to School with Stephens wife, not sure I want to watch, I tend to avoid tbh

A lot of people had information which should have been given to child social services but wasn't.

I'm surprised there hasn't been one of those 'I was picked up by Fred West in the 1970s/1980s and he drove me home' urban myths that usually occur on any thread about them. As one MNetter commented, you'd think he was a bus driver not a builder, the amount of people who claim that.

My Aunt did have a short garden wall built by Fred. She didn't join in with all the salacious 'knew he was a wrong'un, he said this creepy thing' stories and just said he turned up on time, cleaned up after the job and was cheap and worked quickly.

I used to know one of the children of Roses' defence solicitor Leo Goatley who turns up in every documentary about F and R. He had loads of kids himself, 9 I think and in the opinion of his DC that I knew, was largely an absent Father as spent so much time on the case, writing books about it and appearing in every TV show you could think of.

As per Thomas de Quincey’s essay, i love a bit of true crime whatnot, but i know I’m not brave enough to watch this documentary.

Too harrowing for me.

our favourite pub as 6th formers was the Brunswick which is/was on the corner of Cromwell Street. Everything happened my first year at uni the other side of the country and I remember being glued to the tv. I am not a true crime fan but because of the ‘connection’ anything to do with this pings in my sub conscious and I actively avoid it because it feels too real. I have read some things about it (the odd article) but it feels so viscerally unbelievably horrific I just cant. I do put this down to the fact I was in the environs at the time and place these things were happening. I can’t distance myself like we need to as humans because i may have walked past one of those kids or women. It doesn’t feel quite the same as that ‘it could have been me’ voyeuristic thing you sometimes get with people. Maybe it is I don’t know but it makes the unthinkable seem tangible.

my older teen daughter wants to watch it and I’ve asked her not to. I am not going to stop her but I don’t want her to.

I like true crime but I’ll be skipping this. I read an article years ago and one of the details was so horrific it has stuck in my head ever since. I really wish I’d never read it.

I did watch this - it's well made and all so awful. A question for anyone who did watch it - how did the nanny get away? She said she was picked up, assaulted and then she just glossed over that she has escaped. Or perhaps I missed it?