Traitors #4 - Banish, Murder or Click?

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Continued discussion for series 3 of The Traitors UK.

With thanks to @tailinthejam for the thread title.

I really liked the NZ one and I preferred the way they do the final challenge. The UK final challenge in both years so far has been really dull.

Linda could save herself one last time at the next banishment if she brings up how Lisa lied at the challenge after proudly stating she is a priest and can't lie!! The sheep would definitely swallow that up and then Linda could feign ignorance because what Lisa did/said does align with traitorish behaviour

Yes, and they didn’t seem to gang up on each other much. There was a sense of camaraderie.

I think that whole bizarre and irrelevant obsession of Francesca's about who marked her was a little bit of direction from the programme makers. It doesn't happen too much on the Traitors but I'm sure it happened here. There would have been no drama in the episode without it. The task was extremely uninteresting and unexciting.

I notice that in the last 3 banishments, the Faithful being banished all said "This is only a game.", which makes me think they have been asked by producers to say that because people get very emotional.

I used to house share with New Zealanders and Australians in London, I'm Northern Irish. It turns out that they had connections? (put in the question mark for authenticity x)

Wonder if the 2 cloaked figures that have come to the table are the traitors, surely not as it shows whoever survives there are 2

I'd rather the murder was in plain sight too

Weren’t they suspecting people who voted for Anna? After she revealed the attempted seduction.

It did say on the letter that they will murder face to face.

I'd love to see that but doubt Anna will have that level of insight. She's so fixated on the traitors "gunning for her" that she's unlikely to conceive of a traitor letting her live.

That's what i thought that he'd picked the wrong one!

Re Kate obviously there isn't one I'm losing the plot with names they definitely need badges

I think the flaw with this evenings episode is that Dan could have asked if every other player had owned up to picking other players in the truth/gunge game. Did everyone fess up, was it only him who lied about it? Why was Frankie so determined to find out and why did it matter really? It didn't. It was a game and had no relevance to whether or not someone was a traitor. Being so obsessed about it shows her in a poor light. It illuminated absolutely nothing about anyone.

What's missing is real clues for the faithful to work with. So they are blindly imagining glints in eyes and responding to their gut feelings. The only two clues they have to go on are Linda responding to Claudia saying 'traitors' and the letter to Anna trying to seduce her. However when it aired I didn't see or hear reference to 'strong independent woman' but if Anna had said more about it and the letter straightaway it might have given some clues to the female identity of the authors. Two missed clues. And as others have mentioned handwriting.

But I think in the next episode they might reveal how the traitors selected the players for the death card game - as they did in the last series re the poisoned chalice. If they say that the traitors had to find the feather quill and write the names on the picture in the bar it will give solid clues for them to work with - who was seen in the vicinity and entered those rooms?

What's also missing so far is any real chances for traitors to mess up the games - and for faithfuls to use those suspicions as clues. Because traitors have an equal interest in building the prize pot and an equal interest in winning a shield to hide their real identity.

Later I expect the voting tactics will start to give a more firm basis for working out tactical traitor behaviour and alliances as it did in previous series.

If anyone's interested the 'rest is entertainment' podcast discussed the show and the imperfect structure of the game (sorry if this has been discussed before). There is really very little point in catching traitors till the end as traitors are always offered the chance to replenish their number by recruitment/seduction. And presumably the producers would always engineer the game with shields etc to prevent all the faithfuls being eliminated before the end. So it's not pure.

They should have got Grainne Seoige!

Good thing Leon is not a traitor because his poker face is a dead giveaway

I'm new to the series - started binge watching the current season on Thursday night. I'm almost caught up - watched the start of episode 6 to see who was murdered (I'd guessed Livi) and see the reactions. Linda's overacting was just ridiculous. She literally said this was her chance to show Jake she does have emotions after literally telling him the night before how she doesn't show emotions at all and didn't think that would look suspicious? It was the way everyone was looking at her completely gone out like "what the fuck are you doing, Linda?" - I really thought we were finally going to lose her (if I have to hear her saying "absolutely" whilst nodding like a Churchill dog I might have to throw the TV out of a window - can the woman not form an opinion for herself ever?!) but I read further in the comments here to see if I was going to be happy and discovered the group are just morons.

Minah is brilliant though. She's doing so well at flying under the radar (although comments here are suggesting maybe that's changing so I will see that when I get caught up), her reactions look genuine, she doesn't seem to be trying too hard but is trying enough with people that she's gaining their trust. That said, she and Linda were stupid at their choices when they tried to recruit - Anna was never going to say yes (she'd made it clear she didn't want to be a traitor, she was already in the firing line and intelligent enough that she could see it was an obvious play to throw her under the bus, and if she was going out she was always going to prefer to go out looking honest rather than a liar).

Phew, you can tell I've not had anyone to talk to about this 😂😂😂 Sorry for the long post! In case you can't tell, I'm loving it! So glad I've got the first 2 seasons to watch after this ends!

Regarding if a traitor had put themselves in the card game and ended up in the last two - the faithful would have automatically lost - no need for a game - then all they need to do the next day is say they won the last round. (Must point out a pp already made this point!!)

Such as if Linda had put her name in the four rather than Leon's name, and the games gone the same way - the when it was down to the last two (Fozia and Linda) Claudia would have announced that as Fozia was the only faithful she automatically has lost (Fozia knowing Linda was a traitor at this point making no difference.) The Linda at breakfast simply has to say she won the last round and Fozia lost so was murdered.

After all this is what whoever wins out of Leon and Fozia has to do - they'll have no proof they really won.

Well obviously it wouldn't work if Linda had put herself in that place as she can't act for toffee and would give herself away!! But regardless- that's how a traitor could win.

Oh and to add - post up thread saying Ed Gamble is smart so would be good? What's the proof? I mean at the moment he knows who the traitors are so of course he sees the clues (plus he has autocue!)

The woman on Uncloaked tonight however was the first, i heard, to pick up that Anna's letter had 'as a strong independent woman" written in it. A term only used by other women (or gay man). Anna - like many of us - hasn't clocked that.

My last point I'm not sure handwriting is a clue. No one knows what each others handwriting looks like.

Good article in the Times today about how Traitors is edited.

on another note regarding Linda the opera singers’ crying. I hope she can sing, cos she sure as hell can’t act.

Lots of thoughts!
I'm starting to get more into this series after feeling very ambiguous over the previous five episodes. I still vastly preferred last year, it just seemed more humane.
This thread, like the others, is far too long to read all the posts, so apologies if I say things others already have. But, I think some of my thoughts may be out of sync anyway.
Well, the people I thought who seemed loveliest, namely Elen and Kas are long gone. Of those who remain, from what I've seen (it's so heavily edited that it's hard to really know) I warm to Fozia and Alexander. Maybe I'm biased as there's an element of novelty as they're newer. Also, they were altruistic at the beginning. I liked Jack for the same reason. They seem ethical. I admired Fozia for letting Anna keep the good card. She also seemed to feel genuinely guilty for picking Anna first in the challenge.
I'm afraid I wasn't impressed by Frankie and Minah getting so upset with whoever picked them in the challenge. Everyone whose name came up had to pick someone. It just seemed a bit precious. Though I understand we all have hangups, and I could see they really hated having gunk on them, which I empathise with as an OCD sufferer.
Though I'm probably alone in this thread in not loving Minah, sorry! 🫣 I think she's a brilliant traitor. Phenomenal. Buuut, she loves her role too much. Her vengeance on Dan was just unpleasant. Also saying he'd betrayed her trust!!! Umm, she's been betraying his from the start - the hypocrisy and so on upset me. I know Dan was playing a selfish game, but a lot of them are, and I admired his honesty about it. Minah was also very selfish making Linda do most of the risky work with the writing of names etc. So, not a Minah fan I'm afraid.
I like Jake. Apart from his doctor comment to Kas, which was poorly thought. He's been right about Linda from day one. Must be frustrating that so many people didn't follow the more obvious evidence.
Re Anna, I think she was very wise to handle the recruitment letter the way she did. I think if she'd announced it to all the following morning as many think she should, she'd probably have been gone within 24 hours one way or another. She got the balance right with that.
Re Fozia and Leon and the game - I like them both, so I'm sad about either of them going. Both nice people I think.
Anyway, 'tis but a game!
I definitely still think last year was considerably better. But, the last episode hooked me into this one now, so I'll stick with it to the end 😊

Except every night at the round table when they have to write names on a board and show everyone 🤣

I much prefer the painting way of murder.

Last season the poison chalice was just so obvious.

I doubt Claudia will be letting on there's a clue in the house, maybe she will but I just feel that's giving the Faithful too much help when there's only 2 Traitors left. Would make sense if there were 3 or 4 but not right now.

I thought Leon deliberately made it obvious Fozia had taken the card as he was pissed off she'd taken it and didn't want her to keep it.

What I think is mad is Fozia letting Anna keep the life card, I'd have asked for it back and then looked confused/angry implying I'd asked for the wrong card whilst swapping the cards in my hands so no one knows which is which 😂

The article in the Times

https://archive.ph/wVnX6

Do the contestants socialise at their Hotel in Inverness that they go back to or are they all locked in their rooms ?

I think Fozia is just a very ethical person. She felt genuinely bad about picking Anna first in the challenge, you could see it in her face (she obviously didn't know about the gunk at that point)
I really do like Fozia.