The Jury: Murder trial

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Is anyone watching this on channel 4?

www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/the-jury-murder-trial-channel-4-experiment-explained/

I think it's a shame they chose a crime that was against a female.
I wonder how different it would have been if it had been a male on male crime.

This has just highlighted yet again the misogyny out there sadly.

Why are the jury wearing the same clothes every day?

I know someone who was a juror for a rape trial. He told me he was going to say not guilty until he heard her [the victim] speak.

I did try asking him why he had initially sided with the accused but he avoided answering that.

I watched this programme and found it interesting and annoying in equal measure. They may have a careful mixture of jurors but real juries aren't chosen in such a precise way.

The real guy got 7 years!! 7 years!! He'll be out in 3.5! You can Google the case details and it will readily pop up.
It's a peculiarity in law whereby you cannot kill in anger, but you can if you kill in a rage!! Even more shocking to me is the fact that he had previously lost his temper and rowed with her, but hadn't sought to leave or seek anger management counselling. Therefore, in my view he was an angry man and didn't just suddenly lose the plot!
I used to work with a guy who stabbed his wife to death outside a pub when he caught her having affair. 3.5 years later and he returned to another branch of the organisation and we were hauled into HR and warned that we were not to discuss it or tell his new colleagues. If I had seen him start dating anyone, I wouldn't have been able to remain quiet.

Sorry but ‘she was asking for it’
wtf

‘I wanted to hug him’ aww poor guy!! Poor man got taunted by the slag until he snapped

I can’t believe what I’m hearing here ☹️

Just tried to watch it but got so angry I had to turn it off to protect my own sanity.
These are the sexist gits and intellectually inadequate people who let rapists and women murderers walk free. Thick men and captured women, often equally thick.
These are also people who can vote.
There really should be some sort of basic comprehension and bigotry test for both.
I despair.

I am finding it so infuriating and depressing that I'm not sure I can continue watching. I despair, some of the men are just vile.

I haven't been able to find the real life case by googling, could someone point me in the right direction please?

I thought as much - I thought they might’ve trawled insta!

I'm finding this terrifying. What I didn't expect was that I'd find many of the comments on here equally terrifying.

The jury is supposed to be deciding whether or not the accused can benefit from the partial defence of loss of control. I've seen zero attempts to understand what loss of control means in this context, and what the law says about it. It's all about whether they sympathise with with either side, what happened afterwards, whether they think that any killing should be murder... almost anything other than what does the law say and what does that actually mean.

Until you understand that you're not in a position to begin to consider whether the facts support murder or manslaughter. How can you decide how to categorise something if you don't understand the categories?

I understand that some people may feel very, very strongly that no such defense should be available. But it is. That's the system we have to work within. If you think it's wrong, campaign to change it. Don't pretend it doesn't exist. Behaving as if it doesn't exist just because you think it shouldn't feels more like mob rule than law. That's what's terrifying.

Are all episodes the same trial? I want to watch but work through as if on the jury to see what verdict I come to, so if it's all the same case I want to binge it to ensure I don't forget anything

Yes it is all the same case.

I found this really interesting last night,
Obvious i know, but fascinating how individuals listening to the same evidence, hear different things according to their own personal experiences.

From what I've seen so far nobody on the jury has heard the defendant's explanation for his loss of control.
Yet just like in real life along have come the men with all there bullshit comments.. she was a lazy cow or she was a slag.. poor bloody man!
It's no wonder that more and more women have zero faith in our justice system, this show is shining a light on the fact that even if you you're a woman and a victim of let's say domestic violence and your case even gets to court your more than likely going to have ignorant fuckwits making excuses for some piece of shit man who couldn't control himself. People should be angry about that, it's disgusting that in 2024 people hold such opinions.

I've done jury service. You don't keep going to break out rooms to have little chats and debates.

After the first day we were sent home and were certainly not allowed to chat to otehr jury members.

Padding out the programme is misrepresenting the process.

She was asking for it. Jfc!

Thats interesting @Piggywaspushed it certainly seems like they do a lot of chatting amongst themselves in this trial!

On the evidence so far though despite all the biased views expressed here it's manslaughter.

It does remind us juries are made up of real people... 'our peers'.

I found it quite hard in jury service to accept some of the jury were listening hard enough to make a decision!

Thanks @Piggywaspushed I thought they wouldn’t be having breaks like that in a real trial

I think they break more in long, complex trial but there are really really strict instructions about who to talk to, when, how.

It is definitley not at all as I remember it and my trial was people trafficking and modern slavery so quite heavy.

My friend was in a room next door doing a rape and murder trial which he is still traumatised about and definitely they didn't all get together to chat about it until deliberation.

After the trial was over for your friend and you, because they were so heavy and obviously traumatic, could you access therapy for what you saw during the trial? @Piggywaspushed

This makes me so angry. He could and no doubt is saying things that apparently she said as true. The fact she is dead and can’t say all the things he did and said and he has a voice is infuriating.

I heard one of the producers talking about it. They chose a female victim as conviction rates are lower in these DV cases where the victim is a woman, and they knowingly selected big characters and people with strong opinions to assess what impact they can have on the final verdict.

The victim blaming and misogyny is alarming. It's interesting to see how each juror reacts based on their own life experiences.

My trial was very very very boring which meant the shock and despair was lessened. Everything was translated three times ...

My friend did not access counselling , no. The judge apparently told them all to seek help if they needed it.

I'm suprised it was a woman who came out with "she was asking for it"!