Who is watching Doctor Who tonight

[Firefly2009]

And if you've now seen it, what are your thoughts?

I'm predicting I will love it no matter what. But look forward to discussing it.

It's only 'online' that I am seeing people cheering at this woke nonsense, and saying how awesome Doctor Who is, and how amazing it is - being so 'with it,' and 'inclusive.' In real life, everyone I know is face palming, switching off Doctor Who in droves, rolling their eyes at yet MORE lecturing on how we should always put women in third place (after men, and transgender folk,) and getting actually fucking angry with all this shit. NO-ONE I know in real life is OK with the episode of Doctor Who last night.

Even the few people I know who were saying (online) 'oh wasn't Doctor Who great? How inclusive of them, how nice to see' were actually speaking differently about it in real life, and saying they feel the rights of transgender folk trump the rights of women much too often. They were just agreeing with the rest of the woke sheep on Twitter. Even my 30 y.o. niece who has been ranting about what an absolute monster JK Rowling is now saying 'JK was right.'

It's mostly the hard of thinking, easily-led sheep who are OK with all of this. Everyone else can see it for what it is. Bullying people into thinking like them, speaking like them, and saying the 'right' thing. If you don't you are a bigoted monster, you're thick, and you are probably a Tory. 🙄

Ya know what, I will say what the hell I want, I will use what pronouns I want, and I WILL speak up when I feel we're being lectured. The only people who spit out rude and nasty names, (to people they feel aren't falling into line,) are people I don't care about anyway. I really don't care about the views of the far left/the 'woke,' because IMO, they are most bigoted group in society by a country mile. Their ramblings and rantings are white noise to me.

And like a number of other posters, I don't care if someone ever uses the 'wrong' pro-noun. Nope ... I really don't!

loved that they dropped in the “tuna madras” line hehehehe!
Is it an in joke or just random silliness?

Honestly I just can't believe they went with "let it go" to solve a problem so serious that the Doctor previously wiped Donna's memory because otherwise she would die. I mean, come in. What a cop out. It's like "and the I woke up and it was all a dream" level of writing.

This.

The Doctor-Donna pairing was so unexpectedly brilliant, and was so poignant at the end. Especially how it built up from her mum putting her down all the time, her brash attitude covering her feelings of unimportance, the altered timeline. To go back to old Donna felt so tragic.

I guess they needed an excuse to reset the pairing to how they were, but I think it would have been better to ride out the suspense longer.

I didn’t and won’t watch it but reading that Donna is told to ‘let it go’.

Like women are told to ignore their sex based rights are ignored. To ‘let it go’ when ‘trans activists’ make violent threats.

So tired of the threats and lies.

Who said the following in 2008?:

He is not a man to shy away from controversial comments, and says Tennant's eventual replacement should not be female. "I am often tempted to say yes to that to placate everyone but, while I think kids will not have a problem with [a female Doctor], I think fathers will have a problem with it because they will then imagine they will have to describe sex changes to their children.

"I think fathers can describe sex changes to their children and I think they should and it's part of the world, but I think it would simply introduce genitalia into family viewing. You're not talking about actresses or style, you're talking about genitalia, and a lot of parents would get embarrassed."

source:
^www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jul/07/television.bbc^

Is RTD a massive misgyonist?

Yes. Yes he is.

I didn’t and won’t watch it but reading that Donna is told to ‘let it go’
Yeah, it's clear you haven't watched it at all and are just knee jerk reacting.
She wasn't "told" to let it go at all.
She decided herself to let it go, nobody told her to, where did you get that from?
I took it that she didn't feel ready to let it go before then as she still felt there was something missing, it was still a part of her and they were still connected somehow.
She couldn't let go before as there was still her and Rose tyng to the Doctor.
When the metacrisis was "solved" and she lived, the letting go could start, and she did
She met him again, got more time with him and her "void" of something missing was filled.
She felt it was time to let go and so she did

Not the context in any way, had you actually seen it. Funny how not watching it leads you to make ignorant fear-filled, hyperbolic statements like that...it's almost as of there's a phobia involved

Completely cross posted with you there but yes, exactly this!
Says hasn't and won't watch it and doesn't it just show!

Thank goodness it wasn't just me! Erm I actually really dislike CT in Dr. Who

I did watch it, and the tedious shoehorned in of trans and non binary issues ruined the story for me. And the line was ' if you were still a woman you would have known that all we needed to do was let it go' so it was saying if he was a woman he would have just 'let it go'. It made no sense at all.

I did watch it, and the tedious shoehorned in of trans and non binary issues ruined the story for me

It was literally the backstory to how the metacrisis was solved though? So not sure how it was "shoehorned" in

It’s a shame, there were some good bits, but there was a lot of ticking boxes, which was a bit oh please.
for a writer who was hailed as the savior of the show, and seems very convinced of his own genius, I’d hoped for something a little bit defter.

I don't think it particularly made sense to be honest.

But then sometimes Doctor Who ties itself in knots and the get outs are a bit convoluted.

For a start, Donna only knew the Doctor as DT. Why would her child feel a strong connection with the gender that the memories weren't? It would make more sense to want a quiff and tight trousers. Non-binary fitted in nicely with the computer binary, but Rose was trans, not NB.

And leaving that aside (plus the passing down of a memory, but that's probably happened in Doctor Who before), I still don't really get why it helped? Ok, she could "become" the Doctor enough to press the switches, I can understand that. But how did it solve the remember me and your brain will explode part? If Donna had been childless would she have just been stuck with it?

@Drwhattf
It’s a shame, there were some good bits, but there was a lot of ticking boxes, which was a bit oh please.

In what way?

@DwightDFlysenhower
But howdid it solve the remember me and your brain will explode part?
The essence of timelord so to speak was shared between two brains.
Two people, so diluted.
After all, they originally said it was too much for a human brain to absorb and handle.
This way it wasn't, it was shared.

That makes sense if the key to it was pregnancy and thus a second body, rather than non-binary/ transgender nature of the baby.

That makes sense if the key to it was pregnancy and thus a second body, rather than non-binary/ transgender nature of the baby

The non binary/transgender bit I took as meaning there was "more" for want of a better word.... There's the Doctor, who is male, Donna who is female, Rose who is trans, who used to think herself as non binary (read an interview with Russel T Davies/ Yasmin Finney explaining that better earlier, will have to try and find it again)
The Dr being so called fluid
(Which can make sense seeing as he literally doesn't subscribe to human senses of sex and gender!)

I didnt like it, thought it was boring. Badly written, the first 15 minutes were dire. I wonder if with the Disney budget they're having to cater to American producers who think audiences need everything spelling out slowly and repeatedly?

I loved the diversity in it and great seeing Donna and Doctor back together, but it couldn't have been more contrived if it tried.

Because it was meaningless. Trans doesn’t alter your biology so you had Dr biological male we presume, Donna biologically female and Rose biologically male. RTD may as well have named Rose clunky plot device inserted for woke purposes. The metacrisis was about physiology not identity. Donna didn’t suffer consequences because she had a particular gender identity did she? It was the physical impossibility of her body coping with the Timelord consciousness. Does RTD have so little respect for his audience that he expects us to buy into such a weak resolution so he can lecture us a bit. It damaged the storyline not enhanced it.

Because it was meaningless. Trans doesn’t alter your biology so you had Dr biological male we presume, Donna biologically female and Rose biologically male.

No, we had Dr male, Donna female, and Rose trans who was there was always more to as she didn't fit into either.
All three connected to counteract the metacrisis.

Donna didn’t suffer consequences because she had a particular gender identity did she?
No, but what's that got to do with anything?

No, we had Dr male, Donna female, and Rose trans who was there was always more to as she didn't fit into either

But that's ridiculous unless you buy into gender batshit.
Rose is male, not both or neither.

The whole point of it being shared between mother and baby in the womb would've been fine without the trans nonsense. Female carrying a male baby. Both sexes temporarily in one body, or even rose just being an actual girl and sharing the doctor energy.

They couldn't possibly have had a normal, female teenager playing the role of a normal teenage girl though eh. Too dull.

The stupid bit at the end about 'male presenting doctor' not understanding, because rose wearing a skirt and make up suddenly makes a male a woman and able to 'let it go'

They also had to find a suitably attractive male who no one could possibly object to sharing female only spaces etc with who is totally unrepresentative of the actual male trans population.

As if a fucking alien gives a shite about pronouns.
They ruined Star trek discovery with all the gender bollocks too.

I work at a University and the vast majority of young people accept gender diversity as normal

'gender' diversity is perfectly normal as gender is just stereotypes of masculinity and femininity. What is ridiculous is believing that not going along with stereotypes, or mimicking the opposite sexes stereotypes magically alters your sexed body or that other people can't correctly sex you.

'nonbinary' is just made up nonsense.

Wondering if the tardis has gender neutral toilets and how annoying that would be.

i enjoyed it
is there a part 2