Who is watching Doctor Who tonight

[Firefly2009]

And if you've now seen it, what are your thoughts?

I'm predicting I will love it no matter what. But look forward to discussing it.

I enjoyed it, although it seemed rushed - not enough quiet moments for reflection or deeper communication between the characters.

What bothered me most was the outrageous plot holes. How did the Doctor know about Rose's toys when he never set foot inside her shed? And how did he do all that teleporting? I can't figure out how he got the bug guard people into the car park. And why are most of the controls for the Meep's ship not in the control room where the pilot sits? And why on earth would that room need to be split in half?

That’s not my experience when I speak to my DC and their friends they see it as attention seeking behaviour.

You also appear to be forgetting that many pop stars in the 70s and 80s were actively challenging gender stereotypes without trying to deny biology. Many of us older viewers are far more willing to challenge gender stereotypes as a load a regressive bunkum rather than forcing young people to choose. You cannot change sex but you can defy limiting stereotypes.

I answered and explained that quite explicitly.

You chose to ignore my point of why it matters.

Try reading more carefully.

Because those people want to force me to comply with their ideological beliefs, to go against the reality I can see with my own eyes and change my speech to suit the way they want me to refer to them, even when they are not present.

It’s not enough to just be polite either, I have to actually believe or think of them as their ‘prefered gender’. If I don’t cheerlead and support their ideology 100% then I am an evil, hateful person.

I wouldn’t accept being forced into any other religion either.

It was okay didn't feel like a special and much while better than last few series of Dr Who - not hard - it felt like an and also episode rather than the previous wonderful Tennant Doctor Donna combination.

I thought maybe it was lack of humor - but DH thinks it still got thing from last Dr series where you ran then separate to that humour, the next bit sci, then next preachy bit with sledge hammer and no subtly, then heart to heart all disconnected like series of tick boxes where previous reboot series they could be running and having a heart to heart or do comedy and still be making a serious point. Maybe it will improve as it goes on.

I agree with PP my younger two teens try and use pronouns and new names but are so fed up with it all - so that heavy handed handling of trans was just yet more background noise.

All of us thought actor was too old to be playing Rose at 15 year old that was completely unbelievable - they looked and acted like someone in 20s which was fine but did mean timeline didn't make sense later - would have been better to avoid any mention of how long and be like some unspecified time past.

You also appear to be forgetting that many pop stars in the 70s and 80s were actively challenging gender stereotypes without trying to deny biology.
Indeed. Bowie, Bolan, Boy George, Annie Lennox, Marilyn. Gender bending without need for labels.

None of it bothers me per se. I sometimes get called Sir as a default at school (or Mum). My stock answer is "I identify as a woman last time I looked" (or I'd be happy to be your Mum). Many teens I know are supportive of LGBTQIA but there are equally those who think that identity politics is bollocks.

I don’t disagree with your perspective, my kids also think the same as yours (probably because they’ve been brought up in a gender critical household). However, on a wider perspective this is not what I see and that is the point I’m making. The Doctor Who trans storyline does not feel like indoctrination because it’s already out there, it reflects the general consensus which is already out there in my experience.

Is it really out there once they leave Uni, is there a general consensus? I’ve worked for some v large global companies and the number of people with pronouns in their signatures or bios is so low that it stands out if you see one. I have never heard anyone offer their pronouns or ask for them in real life.
Like many people who work in an international environment I’ve been misgendered, I’ve had my first name and surname mixed up, I’ve received things addressed to Mr first name. Nobody cares. You just move on.
It appears that once they leave Uni and hit the reality of the world of work young people’s priorities adjust.

to be fair, that was the exact personality of the Meep.

The toys Rose had allegedly made did not realistically appear to be home made by a 13 or 14 year old.

The clue's in the name, really.

It's just M-E-E-E-E with a random consonant at the end.

I don’t doubt for a second that some of the kids who are identifying as trans / non-binary etc are doing so because of other reasons

It's not "some", it's "all".

The (social media-fuelled) mental health crisis is massive and this (social media-fuelled) movement has come along to sweep up the vulnerable and tell them everything will be wonderful as long as they submit to major acts of bodily self-harm and large-scale games of pretend, otherwise things will be very bleak indeed and premature death is a guaranteed certainty.

The movement blows rainbow glitter off one hand, and dangles a noose with the other. It's been endorsed by Dr Who and Netflix and every other piece of popular media from the last 5 years, to make the message "you were born in the wrong body" seem both palatable and like it deserves to have a place anywhere in society. Those who endorse it trick themselves into thinking they're believing in an act of hip progressiveness when it's a movement packed with backwards sexist stereotypes, that a male in any circumstance should automatically be considered a woman.

It's a movement that even comes with its own set of society-endorsed baddies to boo and attack, the maternal-esque for the vulnerable to rebel against: women who care about old-fashioned nonsense like safeguarding and protecting the young, as well as their own rights that are also being wrecked in the process.

So for the BBC to endorse this regressivism yet again is to do a disservice to, well, basically everyone who can see what's going on.

Actually, I think it would be a bit difficult, though not impossible, to row back from having had hormones altering puberty, and surgery.

Just the fact of changing your mind about gender reallocation though - I think we as a society need to accept that there will be some instances where this will happen.

I loved it. Felt much better dr who than the last 3 doctors who I've tolerated!

But yes to the wokeness.i hate that this normalises this fir girls in particular who may be tempted to binding/pills/surgery as if that's okay 😔

I loved it. Felt much better dr who than the last 3 doctors who I've tolerated!
I definitely felt the old excitement again, in a way I haven't felt with the last Dr and some of Peter Capaldis episodes (although he had a few brilliant storylines - LOVED Listen, the whole Missy reveal etc
What was wrong with Matt Smith's Dr?! He was absolutely brilliant!
One of my absolute favourites

I enjoyed it. Donna's daughter annoyed me only because the actor is obviously alot older than the character is supposed to be.

Honestly I just can't believe they went with "let it go" to solve a problem so serious that the Doctor previously wiped Donna's memory because otherwise she would die. I mean, come in. What a cop out. It's like "and the I woke up and it was all a dream" level of writing.

Rose did look older than 15 but I agree with other posters that her casting probably has something to do with the popularity of Heartstopper. And in that show Yasmin Finney's character is a year 11 so fans of that show are likely to be accepting of Rose being 16.

(The body image issues arising from casting actors in their 20s as teens seem to be increasingly recognised, but that is not just a Dr Who issue and is not just related to trans characters. )

Doctor Who had a Non Binary Character ages ago, but never made a thing of it. Ace was fine with feminine pronouns but refused to be defined by female stereotypes or social limitations.
Different times.

I loved Ace, Ace was cool. (To my kid mind anyway.)

I’m really sorry, I can 100% see why you feel like this. They’re making it look sparkly and pretty and save the world shit. And then the reality is this awful abuse of children by promising them this mirage.

Wait what? Ace was non-binary? Are you sure?

I thought she was a female who refused to be defined by female stereotypes or social limitations.

Ace is still one of my all time fav Dr Who characters. She was so cool to a ten year old.

Ace was a Tom boy. She wasn't non binary. Non binary is a load of modern bollocks.

Agree. And I don't believe she was ever 'non binary' either.
She was a strong female role model.

Ace was not non-binary. Saying that she was is just another example of retrospective transing to fit with current ideology. She was a tomboy, or gender non-conforming young woman who refused to be defined by sexist stereotypes. She was always, as with 51% of the population, female.