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This is Big Brother. Please swear as much as you like here

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TellingBone · 08/10/2023 09:59

Launch show tonight 9:00pm on ITV1, ITV2 and ITVX. I understand that housemates actually entered the house last night and that part was recorded.

Broadcasts will be at the same time nightly, followed six nights per week by Late and Live, and then a live stream after that on ITVX.

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CampervanKween · 10/10/2023 23:45

Well if no-one is allowed to speak the truth, then these people will never learn. Truth is, not many men will be interested in Hallie. Sadly probably not the nice ones. I think trans people do severely limit their dating pool, that's just biological attraction for you.

CowboysAndCowgirls · 10/10/2023 23:55

Boomboom22 · 10/10/2023 23:44

I mean iw experienced life as a grown man although I do also think they genuinely believe they are a woman.
And I personally do see a big distinction between post op and never intending an op but am also very conflicted here as I don't want kids damaging themselves.
This really is hard!

It's really not hard at all. The reality is that trans women are men, it doesn't make any difference if they have operations. They want you to think it's hard because they don't want to or can't accept reality.

Hallie is a vulnerable young person and I think it's obvious already that he isn't coping. If Hallie can't deal with being asked a few questions by one housemate, how will Hallie cope with all the attention outside of the house. It was very wrong of ITV to put Hallie in the house at such a young age.

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 10/10/2023 23:55

I agree @CampervanKween The vast majority of men will not want to be in a relationship with a transgender woman. Hallie seems to think they will, and most men will not care. Hallie is wrong.

EachandEveryone · 11/10/2023 00:20

And poor Haillie is lovely and tall but at 18 I think you still having time to grow even more. And Haillie will be 6ft 4 maybe by then which is going to liming their pool even more.

CowboysAndCowgirls · 11/10/2023 00:30

EachandEveryone · 11/10/2023 00:20

And poor Haillie is lovely and tall but at 18 I think you still having time to grow even more. And Haillie will be 6ft 4 maybe by then which is going to liming their pool even more.

Yep. I think people who cheerlead and encourage people with identity issues to 'be their true self' and transition including taking hormones and having operations are really cruel actually. They're setting people up for a life of rejection and health issues.

I believe the kind thing to do would be to be honest, to stop pretending that there's any doubt over what a man is and what a woman is

TheHappiestChristmasTree · 11/10/2023 00:35

Still Yinrun and Hallie for my faves so far but also liking Zak and Matty.

I'm quite enjoying this series so far- I'm not fussed about arguments and constant entertainment, I just love watching them and seeing their personalities develop. It feels much more like the early BB series Grin

Ladybird69 · 11/10/2023 01:11

@Aquarius1234 was the first haircut a dare 🤣 I thought that the permed top and shaved back and sides was a dodgy look but the shaved mullet is so much worse. They’ll be rocking the rat’s tails like tears for fears next! That’s showing my age.
I didn’t realise that Matty was gay. Think that they’re missing a lesbian and an oldie

SammyScrounge · 11/10/2023 01:15

Olivia is all front. I'd like to stay to see how she develops.

SammyScrounge · 11/10/2023 01:27

Hallin looked sullen tonight. And defensive. I think we're ging to see some nasty drama from her.

SammyScrounge · 11/10/2023 01:40

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor😁😁 😁😁. I never noticed that! Mercifully.

Mydogmybestfriend · 11/10/2023 02:03

Hallie has such a pretty face I don't think she will struggle getting men once she had her op.

RunningAwayToJoinTheCircus · 11/10/2023 04:20

I can't get over Hallie running to scoff Yinrun's cheese board!!!
Everyone else who was tempted got ti.e to decide, and Time in hadn't really said yes or nay and Hallie was off like a whippet stuffing her face!
I don't think Hallie has a clue where Farida is coming from eithrr. It's understandable, who knows what Hallie has had on her "journey" blah blah, but she obviously just doesn't get that done people just aren't "with it" woke and know zero about her situation.
Farida is a middle aged Muslim lady and we have no idea how much she has even ever heard about the trans community, how much she has had interactions with teenagers (I got the impression she doesn't have children? From her going into the house, and not mentioning them if she does?) but she does seem to be trying to find out about Hallie and understand her, if in a bit of a clonky way.
I love Harry and Yinrun, and like Jordan - love his dry humour.
I can't stand Chanell - she's practically stalking Jordan! If he was a woman and she was a man there would have been complaints already I think.
I feel sorry for Jenkin, it was like he was being set up to be disliked from the start. I did like it when (whatzername) got some of his own clothes back for him, that was kind.
Olivia is just Too Fucking Much and trying way too hard. She needs to chill out!

RunningAwayToJoinTheCircus · 11/10/2023 04:22

Oh me! Please excuse all those typos! Tis 4am!

MrTiddlesTheCat · 11/10/2023 06:19

I'm watching on catchup. Pissing myself about curly haired guy educating people about the famous Orwell book 1974.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 11/10/2023 06:58

SammyScrounge · 11/10/2023 01:15

Olivia is all front. I'd like to stay to see how she develops.

She comes across as quite aggressive and confrontational but didn't react at all to checked shirt guy putting his hand up in her face and shushing her. I'd have ripped his fucking head off.

MaryLivingOnDreamsAndCustardCreams · 11/10/2023 07:02

MrTiddlesTheCat · 11/10/2023 06:19

I'm watching on catchup. Pissing myself about curly haired guy educating people about the famous Orwell book 1974.

Yeah! Me and my DP were in stitches over that. And he's a GP too so was even funnier coming from him, thought he'd be more knowledgeable. It's the title of the bloody book 😂

I think BB should have a 'back to school' task and make this one of the questions. A Biology lesson wouldn't go a miss either 😉

Sheisready · 11/10/2023 07:44

I'm only part way through, but I thought Farida and Hallie's conversation was fine. Farida seemed polite and genuine in her ignorance and Hallie has already said about being an open book and happy to talk about it all.

So, I'm guessing it goes downhill in the half I haven't seen yet.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2023 07:50

SammyScrounge · 11/10/2023 01:27

Hallin looked sullen tonight. And defensive. I think we're ging to see some nasty drama from her.

The problem is that in order to uphold the fantasy of trans, conversations like the one with Farida have to be shut down. In order to do this you have to be aggressive or ultra defensive. Neither are particularly sociable and both produce conflict.

I do feel that the whole thing is 'trying to run away from yourself' and you can't do that because it inevitably catches up with you - you can't be happy until you make peace with your self and love yourself for who and what you are. Living this great lie will take a toll on your life. You may be unhappy as your sex but pretending to be the opposite sex isn't going to make you happy either because it's not real. And no one talks about this when they bleat on about being stunning and brave.

Being in your late teens and early twenties is all about 'finding yourself '. It's normal and lots of people go through that process in varying degrees of extremity. Some will literally 'run away' by going travelling for example.

But you still can't escape reality.

What Farida asked are key questions that ultimately Hallie will have to face up to. Whether Hallie will work it out before or after surgery matters. Hallie is being put on TV as someone to aspire to, and that's disturbing. As I said before putting an 18 year old in that situation is never going to end well.

The ultra defensive persona is something I've seen time and time again - for a reason. If you want to live in a fantasy everyone around you constantly walks on eggshells. The whole idea of individual identity is flawed because our identity is only individual on one level. We also have collective relationships and we don't live in isolation. It does have an impact on others whether anyone likes to admit it or not. And that matters.

It's not about people being mean though. It's about trying to avoid the inevitable and anyone who touches a nerve even in a well meaning way finds themselves on the recieving end of that massive insecurity. If you have someone you care about or you want to understand more, you want to ask questions and it's healthy to challenge because of the consequences of not making sure that the person fully gets it.

Hallie's intro about not wanting to be treated like a child was revealing and I noticed it straight away. This is code for 'i know my mind and I don't want anyone asking me about x, y and z because I know best'. Anyone in their 40s / 50s has lived through that and seen it a mile off. People in their 20s have a right to make mistakes and it's almost a right of passage. But middle age people have a right to care and a responsibility to challenge where appropriate. And considerations about major life changing surgery and the impact on your choice of life partner are really not small fry issues. There should be lots of questions and challenging going on - because it often it comes from a good place - but the default assumption is the opposite and that it's bigoted. Asking hard questions often comes from a place of love.

This is why Hallie and Faridas inclusion troubled me so much from the start. They've both been totally set up to fail. Even if they handle the situation brilliantly and are liked. I don't think it will be conveyed on TV and I think we will see Hallie acting badly under the stress and Farida villified even though her intentions aren't bad.

As I say, it's not a subject that reality TV can handle - not when it's so all consuming and duty of care is relevant. It's not the right forum for this much needed conversation.

Sheisready · 11/10/2023 08:05

I am loving this series, it reminds me of the original series 1. As a PP said above, just watching people's personalities come out, dynamics develop etc.

The only difference is that back then I could stay up late to watch the show live but now I have to catch up the following evening. (Did we have catch up telly in 2000? Perhaps we just had repeats?).

MaryLivingOnDreamsAndCustardCreams · 11/10/2023 08:14

Sheisready · 11/10/2023 07:44

I'm only part way through, but I thought Farida and Hallie's conversation was fine. Farida seemed polite and genuine in her ignorance and Hallie has already said about being an open book and happy to talk about it all.

So, I'm guessing it goes downhill in the half I haven't seen yet.

Yup. The same way as Olivia saying it was okay for Farida to have the food and then bitched about it afterwards. Funny how they instantly forget the cameras see everything 😂 Welcome home BB.

Ladybrrrd · 11/10/2023 08:18

I am loving this series, it reminds me of the original series 1. As a PP said above, just watching people's personalities come out, dynamics develop etc.

Me too, v wholesome. I LOVE Yinrun, Jenkin and Farida. I love that it's not full of idendikit Love Island type people. Also glad Jenkin was shown a bit of love and hopefully feels a bit better.

I have a lot of admiration for Hallie and Farida and the way that convo was handled. Hallie didn't try and hide how she felt from Farida. She said "I was talking about you (our conversation)" and both walked away happy and with a little more understanding of one another. Good on both of them. It's so refreshing to see disagreements handled with mutual respect and not drink throwing as I've come to expect on reality TV.

MaryLivingOnDreamsAndCustardCreams · 11/10/2023 08:26

Great post btw @RedToothBrush you have summed it up perfectly.

It's also creating some interesting conversations at work and some people have surprised me, voicing concerns about life altering surgery in kids who haven't even experimented with sexual partners yet.

I am still not able to say out loud I dont believe we can change sex. Yet no-one bats an eye when I say I don't believe in god. Strange world 2023.

purpleme12 · 11/10/2023 08:59

@Sheisready definitely no catch up! I would record things on my video recorder thing then if I was going to miss them!

Sheisready · 11/10/2023 09:46

I have a feeling I could watch a repeat the following day (I was a student!).

RLeymore · 11/10/2023 10:08

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