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Strictly '22 #18 — Who's going to lift the glitterball? We don't know, but it will happen in this thread!

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 17/12/2022 20:26

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xsquared · 19/12/2022 14:07

WipedAndSwiped · 19/12/2022 13:39

I think the whole contest has become a popularity/underdog show. Hamza has an appeal of sorts .However he is NOT the best dancer! Helen should have won
Why? She wasn’t the best dancer either.

IIRC I think Maisie was the best dancer in that year. The finalists were Jamie Laing who had been in the dance off 4 times, HRVY, Bill and herself.

I think I may have been rooting for HRVY or Bill that year though.

xsquared · 19/12/2022 14:08

Oh sorry, @WipedAndSwiped . Just ignore me! I thought you were talking about Maisie Smith.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 19/12/2022 15:12

Looking back through the years, it's not often that the "best" dancer has won Strictly.

2021 Rose - astonishing to dance to that level as a deaf woman, but she was arguably not as technically good or versatile (too many wafty/floaty numbers) a dancer as AJ - who I know had to pull out of the final, but I doubt she'd have beaten Rose even if she had competed. She captured everyone's hearts, is a genuinely lovely person, had a moving partnership with Gio, and so was the nailed on winner.

2020 - Bill Bailey - certainly not the best dancer, that was Maisie. He's a brilliant and well loved comedian and surprised everyone that an older bloke could dance that well. Had a charming partnership with Oti the goddess.

2019 - Kelvin Fletcher - fabulous to watch, had fab chemistry with Oti, but Karim was the better dancer that year. Kelvin pretty much bagged it from the off though, with the lore around him being the last minute replacement given 2 weeks' notice, having the work ethic that went with that, and dancing a fabulous Samba on week 1 that garnered memorable comments from the judges.

2018 - Stacey Dooley - arguably Faye Tozer was better that year. Stacey is a down to earth and very likeable girl next door made good, and it was Kevin's "turn".

2017 - Joe McFadden - I would say Alexandra Burke was the stand out dancer that season, with Debbie McGee putting in some fantastic performances. A close year.

2016 - Ore Oduba - surprise winner over Danny Mac, although I think Ore was a better dancer than given credit for. Not sure what swung it for him over Danny (I'd never heard of either of them before Strictly), but he did nail his final dances and did one of the more memorable show dances.

2015 - Jay McGuiness - Did one incredible Jive. I don't think he was stand out that year otherwise, and Georgia May Foote was arguably the better dancer. However, that Jive and his shy personality endeared him to the audience and he never looked like he would lose.

2014 - Caroline Flack - yes, fair enough she did stand out above Simon Webbe and Frankie Bridge.

2013 - Abbey Clancy - great partnership with Aliaz - terrifically entertaining, beautiful and surprisingly endearing (and Abbey wasn't bad either) . But Natalie Gumede was the more accomplished dancer.

2012 - Louis Smith - Came in as an Olympic hero, with a near miss of a gold story. Struggled week on week to show his personality and retrain his gymnast's body to loosen up. Came off his ADHD meds, nailed a charming Charleston and found his way to the final. In the final, did a groundbreaking Show Dance and much improved Dirty Dancing Salsa. But overall, Denise Van Outen was the strongest dancer all season and had a strong final. She was stuck with the annoying James Jordan and viewed as a ringer.

2011 - Harry Judd - I didn't watch this series, so not sure whether he was the strongest dancer or not.

2010 - Kara Tointon - as above.

2009 - Chris Hollins - I didn't watch, but I'll have a guess that he won the dad dancing popularity glitter ball, rather than the best dancer one.

2008 - Tom Chambers - charming man, but less accomplished than Lisa Snowden and Rachel Stevens and came bottom of the leader board in the final.

2007 - Alesha Dixon - from what I remember, probably the strongest dancer that year.

2006 - Mark Ramprakash - Hot Hot Hot partnership with the wonderful Karen Hardy. They were the best.

2005 - Darren Gough - self described Fat Lad From Barnsley. Winner based on best dancer over popularity should have been Zoe Ball or Colin Jackson (but he and Erin screwed up with unnecessary, and frankly a bit macabre, puppet dancers).

2004 Winter- Jill Halfpenny - no arguments having seen her Jive, but can't remember who else was in it.

2004 Summer - Natasha Kaplinsky - didn't watch.

My conclusion: popularity has pretty much always been the paramount criteria for the voting public. Ability to put on an entertaining and fairly high standard dance a big bonus. Being endearing in a national treasure sort of way, being surprising in showing dance ability because of age/weight/disability/past career path, or just having a certain something that captures the public's hearts will always win over technically accurate but otherwise annoying/grating/over ambitious/over-reliant on sob story/obvious ringer/doing the circuit of talent or reality shows/never heard of them and couldn't care less about their back story or where they go from here type competitors.

Iamboredandgoingforatwix · 19/12/2022 15:14

ChessieFL · 19/12/2022 11:34

@Lentilweaver apparently Jowita is the fifth pro to win in her debut season with a partner. The others are Brendan (series 1), Darren Bennett (series 2), Artem (series 8) and Aljaz (series 11). I’m not sure the first two really count though given all the pros were new in series 1 and there was another new batch for series 2. And she’s the first female pro to win in her debut season.

Wasn't it Joanne Clinton's debut with Ore too? And Kai?

Inkanta · 19/12/2022 15:23

Throughout the competition I was rooting for Helen but on final day there was just something missing - kind of like she was holding back. Partiicularly the last dance with the silver dress. I did notice she had tape on her leg so I dont know if she had pain. But then Hamza danced and he was just so in the moment feeling the music completely and I thought yes, a definate winner - like Rose last year. He deserved to win.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 19/12/2022 15:27

No, Jo Clifton had danced in at least one previous year - memorably with someone awful - they did some horrible Little Mermaid romances a Lobster dance, IIRC.

Kai and AJ qualified for the final in his first year, but didn't dance due to injury. I doubt they'd have beaten Rose and Giovanni if they had danced.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 19/12/2022 15:30

No, Jo Clifton had danced in at least one previous year - memorably with someone awful - they did some horrible Little Mermaid romances a Lobster dance, IIRC.

Yep, Scott Mills in 2014, dressed as a lobster, dancing a Samba to Under The Sea. Don't have nightmares.

Mynameiselvispresley · 19/12/2022 16:15

@MoirasSaggyBundles Louis Smith is the only one on the list who I don’t think was deserving - sorry if he or his mum read this! So I agree with you that it’s not just technique. But I also don’t think it’s a popularity contest as I think the XFactor is ever just about technique.

Eg I am sad enough to have gone to see some shows on different nights with alternate principals because I love dance so much. Everyone is extremely talented and world class. but I still have a preference. I think Strictly is more like that. Not much in it by the end stages apart from which dancer really speaks to you and Hamza is so rhythmic and charismatic as a dancer I can well understand why he won and was the best for many. I say this as someone backing Fleur!

dollybird · 19/12/2022 18:50

2015 - Jay McGuiness - Did one incredible Jive. I don't think he was stand out that year otherwise, and Georgia May Foote was arguably the better dancer. However, that Jive and his shy personality endeared him to the audience and he never looked like he would lose.

Jay did some other really great dances that year (his tango and charleston come to mind), but people might not remember them so well , as his jive was so stand out amazing. He definitely wasn't the best on the night in the final. He should've done the jive again, and his showdance was a bit pants iirc.

Figgygal · 19/12/2022 19:19

Jay is still my go to on you tube he was not a one dance winner
I regularly watch his Charleston, paso and salsa his rumba was gorgeous too

WipedAndSwiped · 19/12/2022 19:34

No problem @xsquared ! Though I think Maisie was a ringer, and they are rarely a hit with the audience. (Cf Ashley, Faye, Denise van O.)

Romeiswheretheheartis · 19/12/2022 20:30

Caroline Flack was a ringer (dance degree) but somehow seemed to still be popular.

I was gutted over most of those on the list not winning!

MoirasSaggyBundles · 19/12/2022 21:20

Romeiswheretheheartis · 19/12/2022 20:30

Caroline Flack was a ringer (dance degree) but somehow seemed to still be popular.

I was gutted over most of those on the list not winning!

I don't think people knew she was a ringer until after the final??

From the Strictly Spoiler website:

Speaking at a Press Conference following the Live Final she explained: “I trained as a dancer when I was a teenager at a stage school that was more drama and singing. That was 16 years ago when I did my last dance class.”

“If I was trained as a dancer then I probably would have been a dancer and I’m not. I don’t think I had more dance training or experience than anyone else. Especially popstars who are used to performing all the time. I’m a presenter. I’d never trained in ballroom or Latin.” Her partner Pasha Kovalev added that previous dance experience often does not play a major part in ballroom success.

(I really liked Simon Webbe that year and was rooting for him, but Caroline was undeniably excellent).

MoirasSaggyBundles · 19/12/2022 21:30

Yeah, I'm sure everyone is right that Jay was more than a one hit wonder. I just remember his final performances being a bit of a let down and that he wasn't the best on the night. I seem to recall that he didn't do the Jive in the final, because it had been freakishly perfect on the original night and they didn't think they could pull it off as well again. It hadn't been anywhere near that good in rehearsal, then they just nailed it on the live show. Pretty sure he and Aliona danced it as reigning champions at the start of the following season of Strictly, and it was a bit scrappy (although that's not surprising 1 year later).

dollybird · 19/12/2022 21:35

MoirasSaggyBundles · 19/12/2022 21:30

Yeah, I'm sure everyone is right that Jay was more than a one hit wonder. I just remember his final performances being a bit of a let down and that he wasn't the best on the night. I seem to recall that he didn't do the Jive in the final, because it had been freakishly perfect on the original night and they didn't think they could pull it off as well again. It hadn't been anywhere near that good in rehearsal, then they just nailed it on the live show. Pretty sure he and Aliona danced it as reigning champions at the start of the following season of Strictly, and it was a bit scrappy (although that's not surprising 1 year later).

It was rubbish when he came back to do it the following year. Maybe it was one of those once in a lifetime performances.

dollybird · 19/12/2022 21:37

WipedAndSwiped · 19/12/2022 19:34

No problem @xsquared ! Though I think Maisie was a ringer, and they are rarely a hit with the audience. (Cf Ashley, Faye, Denise van O.)

I think Maisie was in the dance off a couple of times in the early weeks, but she got better and better IMO and I voted for her in the final, even though Bill had been my favourite most weeks. I was happy he won though.

TunaSpaghettiSub · 19/12/2022 22:57

Just seen Helen and hamza are to present country file together

MavisMcMinty · 20/12/2022 02:26

I watch Strictly for the dancing so have never cared about “ringers” or people with previous dance training/experience - my years of ballet wouldn’t advantage me at all in ballroom or Latin, maybe a bit in AT or rumba. I also don’t care if people are “competitive” - it’s a competition, it’s OK to want to win!

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 20/12/2022 06:52

Interesting that Helen said that all the pro dancers were hoping for a Gorka win.

Willmafrockfit · 20/12/2022 07:37

i didnt watch the Faye/stacey series, until the very end and i know stacey was very popular and won, but to me, just watching the final, Faye was outstanding and was robbed.
on here, and probably elsewhere, so many posters are anti ringers, denise van outen comes to mind,

Lampzade · 20/12/2022 07:39

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 20/12/2022 06:52

Interesting that Helen said that all the pro dancers were hoping for a Gorka win.

That is because three of the pros in the final are newbies. Then one of the newbies wins with her first partner
Probably a bit of envy among the other pros.

xsquared · 20/12/2022 07:40

Would people still think that Helen should have won if she wasn't a wronged woman? It seemed like this was the main reason why people thought she deserved to win and they kept trying to push that narrative.

I saw that Dan Walker was encouraging his followers to vote for her. However, when Hamza won, he put another post with Helen's photo on it to say she's won (at life), and alluded to how she's never mentioned her personal life, which I find disrespectful because he just drew attention to it!

Lentilweaver · 20/12/2022 08:04

xsquared · 20/12/2022 07:40

Would people still think that Helen should have won if she wasn't a wronged woman? It seemed like this was the main reason why people thought she deserved to win and they kept trying to push that narrative.

I saw that Dan Walker was encouraging his followers to vote for her. However, when Hamza won, he put another post with Helen's photo on it to say she's won (at life), and alluded to how she's never mentioned her personal life, which I find disrespectful because he just drew attention to it!

Yes I enjoyed her dances far more than Hamza's, though she didn't have a very good final. Nothing to do with being a wronged woman. She is very light on her feet.

I have a consistent record of voting for ringers though! I really hope they have more of them next year so we have a higher standard. Just comparing Faye's fabulous couples choice theatre jazz and vintage showdance to this year's clunky showdances and posey couples choices.... it's a terrible decline in skill.

xsquared · 20/12/2022 08:18

@Lentilweaver

I thought she was a better dancer than Hamza with or without her back story amd enjoyed her Jive. I think Mein Herr was a bit Marmite as I'm one of those people who didn't find it so wow.

I agree with you about the decline in quality of show dances through the years.

Faye's show dance was a proper show dance in my opinion. She used the skills she learnt during the show, and threw in a few tricks here and there. When you watch Gio and Faye performing that dance, they have the biggest smile all the way through. I recall on here, some posters saying they wished they saved some of their votes for her after they watched it. It was gorgeous.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 20/12/2022 08:20

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 20/12/2022 06:52

Interesting that Helen said that all the pro dancers were hoping for a Gorka win.

Not surprised about this. It was his 4th final, the other pros obviously are going to be good friends with him after many years of working with him, and would be rooting for him more than for new dancers they don't know as well, and who haven't had to put in the hard yards with rubbish partners over the years. I think the at end of their CC, when everyone in the gallery was chanting for Helen to win, was actually as much for Gorka (although I don't think whichever judge said they should win should have said that - I'd rather they stayed neutral).

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