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Strictly '22 #16 — Twice the dances, twice the drama, triple the paso dobles... its the semi-finals!

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 11/12/2022 19:27

Previous thread here.

Remember as always this is a SPOILER-FREE THREAD.

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SoupDragon · 12/12/2022 16:14

RedToothBrush · 12/12/2022 16:09

No need to be sexist and rude in the first place though was there?

Tough northern blokes aren't allowed to cry was the feeling that a tough northern bloke got from the reaction to Will crying. A bloke who was also expressing a belief he'd let his partner and family down.

Thats the place male suicide comes from, if not permitted by society.

Thats what really bothered DH. The desire to shut Wills expression down.

No one was sexist and rude 🙄

Maireas · 12/12/2022 16:16

Who was being sexist and rude, @RedToothBrush ?
If you saw that, you must report it.

Lentilweaver · 12/12/2022 16:17

Why has Will let his family down? His terrible cape work and duvet changing? His teens would expect nothing else and would be disappointed if their dad did not embarass them, I think:) How have we leapt to male suicide?

Molly isn't crying about letting her family down, and she has been in the DO 4 times, and she is only 21.

Maireas · 12/12/2022 16:20

I don't think Will has let anyone down. He's been a good competitor, and entertaining, but last night wasn't so great. However, he made it to the semi final!
He also has a lovely supportive extended family who showed their love and pride.

IReallyLikeCrows · 12/12/2022 16:21

I don't care how short lovely Gorka is, I'm a shortarse so we'd be grand together. Well, that is if I wasn't old enough to be his mother and the whole thing would be too icky for words. It's why I could never dance with him. I both fancy him and find my fancying him totally inappropriate.

Bowednotbroken · 12/12/2022 16:27

Will's vt was of course setting up his couple's choice. When others have done CC's they too have had emotive family bits - perhaps Will's stood out as it was the semi final so felt unbalanced. A PP in a previous thread has suggested CC's should all be in the same week and that would maybe feel fairer as all the families would get equal airtime in the same show (although for viewers it might be excruciating?).

ilovebrie8 · 12/12/2022 16:27

I really like Will, I think he may have peaked too early he was brill at the very start...I hope he makes it to next week. I have a feeling that the judges know what they want and will manipulate it like their rubbish scoring this week...who knows! I think Fleur should go this week if I had to pick my final four

Maireas · 12/12/2022 16:33

I agree, @ilovebrie8 - I think Will did peak early. Going on that first show I thought he was going to be another Kelvin Fletcher!
He's very body confident and has ability. I voted for him that week he was ill, because I wanted to keep him in.
I also think Nancy has worked well with him.

Maireas · 12/12/2022 16:35

I agree, @Bowednotbroken - all the CCs in the same week.

ilovebrie8 · 12/12/2022 16:37

Maireas · 12/12/2022 16:33

I agree, @ilovebrie8 - I think Will did peak early. Going on that first show I thought he was going to be another Kelvin Fletcher!
He's very body confident and has ability. I voted for him that week he was ill, because I wanted to keep him in.
I also think Nancy has worked well with him.

yep I thought that too !

IReallyLikeCrows · 12/12/2022 16:38

Nancy has been wonderful this year. I know a lot of people didn't like her last year but I did and think she's come across even better this year because she had a calmer partner.

She looked stunning last night in their Paso.

ArcaneWireless · 12/12/2022 16:39

I still think it should be a Molly Fleur dance off. And though the judges will put Fleur through, Molly should stay. I just found Fleur too stompy last night. She is gorgeous but I really didn’t care for either dance. Molly’s second one I liked.

I hope Will and Helen are safe. Hamza will be fine.

IReallyLikeCrows · 12/12/2022 16:40

Will would have to have been an utter arsehole and a really shit dancer for me to have not wanted him to stay in for as long as possible. I loved him as Jambo in Hollyoaks way back in the day.

Maireas · 12/12/2022 16:43

I know what you mean about Fleur, @ArcaneWireless . I think she's had some great dances but the Charleston wasn't great imo. I think Molly has really come on well.
I loved her dances last night.

IReallyLikeCrows · 12/12/2022 16:46

I hope Hamza does his Salsa again in the final. I have no idea who went because there was no spoiler over on digital spy last night. There were no moles so the spoiler man was having to wait until this morning to find out from another source. I decided to just leave it and hope for my best outcome which is for Will to stay and someone else to go. I know that wouldn't be fair going by the dances but the heart wants what the heart wants!

ArcaneWireless · 12/12/2022 16:49

I think the judges will save Fleur against Molly - even on those dances. They’ve made it obvious.

I love both of Fleur’s songs and was really excited to see what she’d do and ended up disappointed.

Strike a pose. Stomp to another bit. Pose.

But they seemed to love the posing and stomping. I wasn’t fond.

ItREALLYishimnotyou · 12/12/2022 16:56

Fleur is very ungainly when lifted especially last night . It makes me cringe.

I just love Hamza's smiling face!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 12/12/2022 17:30

I didn't really like the style of Molly's AS last night. I think against all the other dances I wanted something a bit more traditional — swing music, brighter lighting. The show definitely tended towards the dark and angsty!

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SolInvictus · 12/12/2022 17:33

Well, I've had a lovely afternoon catching up. I really enjoyed the show last night.
It's fun also to read all of your comments and snarking first so I can comment on them as well as the dancing <peers over glasses in schoolma'am fashion>

I'll begin by saying that Will didn't say he'd let his family down, he said he'd let Nancy down because of the Paso.

He didn't look to me like he couldn't take criticism, just that he was gutted because he thought he'd done well. I thought the Paso was great, but I'm a sucker for a traditional music only Paso. I did think the cape looked daft when it was just wrapped across his shoulders, but for most of the cape work it was fab.

I think Shirley's criticism was harsh, not just with Will, but with others too, as she can't (or shouldn't) start to give proper constructive criticism in the semi-final and dress it up as "we're here to learn" talking to the audience like they're 6 year olds. Had her criticism (which was, in itself, fine) been consistent all the way through, then last night wouldn't have got the boos. She'd instead have been considered like most people consider Craig, the only one not talking hogwash. But after only using 9 and 10 for the last month, starting to be fair seems a bit weird.

I didn't mind his CC any more than I mind any other. It wasn't what I want to see in Strictly. I didn't even like it that much at the Hacienda in 1991. I did it because I was there, but at heart I'm an 80s rock chick. If you take away the "wtf is this doing on Strictly" element then it reminded me a bit of Rhys last year, Tyler this year. It was danced very well.

EVERY SINGLE SLEB has wheeled out the Family when it suits them/when the producers make them. And last night they were all shown those cheesy videos with their mams, dads, great aunt Jessie, the woman next door's poodle and a bloke they once sat next to on a bus. Every single one mentioned family and how important family is. Will talks about his, we've had Fleur's dead dad several times, Helen's mum and dad (more than once) kids, siblings and nieces and nephews, Molly's mum and dad are always there and pointed out to us, we've been to Hamza's parents' house, we went to Kym's house for some dinner. Etc etc. They ALL go on about their families. And last night more so than usual.

Likewise the sad stories if they've got them. Kudos to Kym for not milking her dead son, or Matt for his sister, but none of the others are averse. Helen, to be honest, hasn't needed to as every time she appears everyone bangs on about her husband. (and I do wonder if she'd want that-and I have the feeling she might not tbf.) Shirley's comment struck me "nervous and shy" at the beginning- Shirl, this is a woman who walks a fucking tightrope across a canyon- I don't think she does nervous or shy. She looks like she's probably more fragile than say, Fleur or Molly, but looking like is nothing to do with being.

The only northerner dissed last night was Tess, by that twat in the bath with the T&C taking the piss out of her pronunciation. Lots of people on here don't like Will, but I've not heard anyone not liking him because he's a white northern man.

For me, the weakest dancer of them all last night was Fleur. For me, she is now way below the others by a country mile. The Charleston outfit was horrific on her, the shoes shortened her leg length and emphasised the stompiness. (or "power" as I believe it's called in semi-final week (or "power of strength" if you're Motsi (no me neither) Jowita had similar shoes on a couple of weeks ago (for the Jive possibly?) and even she couldn't pull them off. Obviously, the costume wasn't Fleur's fault, or, I imagine, choice, but it didn't help her and actually made her leg movements look even more heavy. There were a few moments when Vito lifted her and put her back down that she seemed really unsure like she didn't know where her feet were going and she just went thunk onto the floor. Her Paso looked like a Paso Pantomime Parody and the music was bizarre. (It's useful to watch on catch up- you can keep pausing and looking again) She never changed facial expression - it was just "very very angry" all the way through. I don't think she's very good at the nuances of characterisation that some of the others can do. Molly can usually do it, Will can usually do it. Helen can do it most of the time. The Vito-cape grabbing was just as odd if not more so than Will's having his hair washed with his. And Fleur stood still (angrily) during all of the cape faffing abaht while Vito performed around her.

I thought Helen's waltz was beautiful. Simple, elegant. She looked amazing. Enjoyed Molly's AS but not as much as the two waltzes. I do get what Shirley was saying in the judges' journey bit about Molly. I have no doubt that that AS was just as technically perfect if not more so than Helen or Hamza's waltz, but it comes over as a bit too technically perfect. That's where there wasn't as much nuance from Molly. The AT from Helen was weaker than her waltz and I disagree with whichever judge said she's better at this sort of dance- these are the dances where she does look like she's not comfortable. There was some sort of hiccup right at the beginning about 10 seconds in which seemed to throw her, she was turning and something happened and she never seemed to be "sharp" to me after that. (Maybe catching the heel in the fabulous dress - definite Helen outfit envy last night) Molly's Paso was spectacular. It's one I'll rewatch. Carlos seems to have toned himself down to let his sleb shine in a way that I'm not sure Vito has yet, which doesn't help Fleur.

Hamza- agree with Craig's comments, the music flows through him and he looks light in whatever he does. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room. Hamza is many things, but light he isn't. Yet his movements are. I love @IReallyLikeCrows comments about Hamza, and agree. His waltz (wee turny in toes and all) almost brought me to tears in its simplicity and elegance. The Charleston was one of the best I've seen because the lifts etc added a bit more oomph to the usual (tedious IMO) "what am I like, goofy old me" aspect of the dance.

Rofling at Neil edging closer to the camera and ending up on the sofa in somebody's lounge. He's basically a Weeping Angel isn't he? Blink and he's got you.

I'd lob my votes at Will and Molly.

"Based on last night's performances alone" Fleur and Helen would be in my dance off with Fleur to go. Helen doesn't deserve it but technically they seem to me to be the weakest now. I still think it will be a Fleur-Molly DO and the judges may well save Fleur which would be a travesty.

My leaderboard would be:

Molly-paso
Hamza- waltz
Helen-waltz
Will-CC
Hamza- Charleston
Will-Paso
Molly-AS
Helen -AT
Fleur-Paso
Fleur- Charleston

JingleMingle · 12/12/2022 18:00

I was just checking when it’s on all
tonight and noticed ITT is on at 9pm so basically after the results. I know they know we all know the results is filmed right after the show so in this case Sunday but they’ve never then immediately had ITT with the outed couple right after. Are we suppose to play along that they’ve had a mega quick make up hair outfit change for their ITT interview 😂

On the semi-final. I enjoyed but it’s not smacking me in face edge of seat “wow!” this series. I don’t think any dances have captured me like in prior seasons even one or two usually stand out and stick in my mind. This year is but flat. Molly technically good and I did like her dancing but blah. And Carlos isn’t growing on me sadly. Fleur just seems too “strong powerful woman hear me roar” performances. Nothing really striking. Helen I find confusing. I can’t decide if she’s had a journey or just always been same and I’d all knowing her story with her ex have decided she has went form timid to strong sexy dancer as it fits how we want to see her progression. I mean she’s had a awful time in personal life of course but I feel she’s probably always been quite strong professionally. Will I loved him from hollyoaks and two pints days then as I grew up I liked seeing him in more older dramas like line of duty and no offence. So I really liked him going into this and he’s done good dances but wow is he competitive. Even his family are (his mum saying get into the final in the cafe). Fair enough all the pros are mega competitive too so nature of business I guess. I didn’t like his silly dancing acting the fool up in claud area after his 90s dance. I still want to see him in final though. Hamaz I love. However I’ve lost sight of whether that’s because I’m enjoying his dances or because he seems so lovely and has a lovely relationship with Jowita. She’s a brilliant pro though. I’d like to see him win.

i was wondering if felt a strange semi final as so many new or newish pros and gorka I’ve never been overly keen on. No Oti or Gio to root for for instance. I’m not keen on carlos at all, Vito is growing on me and think he’ll be a fave in couple of seasons, jowita i love, Nancy I’m liking much more this season than last but still not overly keen.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 12/12/2022 18:08

It still feels like Fleur and Molly have the same background and storyline and I'm not sure they can both exist in the same final without breaking some sort of space-time continuum!

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SolInvictus · 12/12/2022 18:13

Yep. I'd agree with most of that.

I think you're spot on with Helen. She's a very successful TV presenter and does very scary extreme stuff (tightropes!) and so the whole portraying her as a hapless victim must really piss her off when she sees it in the press and on SM. As if it wasn't enough that she's been dumped it almost seems at times like on SCD she's defined as "poor Helen whose bastard husband is a bastard, isn't she dancing well" (with the unspoken "he'll be sorry he left and want her back now/despite him leaving her" conclusion)

OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit · 12/12/2022 18:57

SolInvictus · 12/12/2022 18:13

Yep. I'd agree with most of that.

I think you're spot on with Helen. She's a very successful TV presenter and does very scary extreme stuff (tightropes!) and so the whole portraying her as a hapless victim must really piss her off when she sees it in the press and on SM. As if it wasn't enough that she's been dumped it almost seems at times like on SCD she's defined as "poor Helen whose bastard husband is a bastard, isn't she dancing well" (with the unspoken "he'll be sorry he left and want her back now/despite him leaving her" conclusion)

Helen gave Gorka a Don't you dare mention my ex stare when we was asked to do the gushy bit about her. I get the impression that she absolutely hates it being brought up.

BogRollBOGOF · 12/12/2022 19:01

OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit · 12/12/2022 18:57

Helen gave Gorka a Don't you dare mention my ex stare when we was asked to do the gushy bit about her. I get the impression that she absolutely hates it being brought up.

I was half expecting him to vapourise at that point 😂

IReallyLikeCrows · 12/12/2022 19:02

Aw, thanks @SolInvictus . You made my evening.