Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Telly addicts

Call the Midwife

999 replies

Toddlerteaplease · 25/12/2021 20:25

Well this is boring.

OP posts:
CaptainMyCaptain · 31/01/2022 08:24

@OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg

Was the issue about having a bath while on your period not more likely to be old-fashioned squeamishness about sitting around in water tinged with blood?
Plus there were still people who had to bath in a tin tub and share bath water. Without a bathroom privacy would have been an issue too. Even if things had moved on for most families mothers would repeat what they, themselves, had been taught.
CaptainMyCaptain · 31/01/2022 08:28

Also felt wrong that Trixie was sneaking back into Nonnatus House in the morning after a night of passion. It seemed quite disrespectful and given how well-brought up she is, I'm not sure she would have been doing 'the morning walk of shame'?
I know nurses who trained at that time or in the 70s who did that.

And was the NSPCC something that children would have really known about in the 1960s? Certainly in terms of calling them for help? I think that only became a thing that was widely publicised in the 21st Century?
I can remember seeing adverts for the NSPCC in the 60s. I vividly remember one featuring a pregnant 14 year old which shocked me.

UnicornsReal · 31/01/2022 08:31

@CaptainMyCaptain

No idea what those pants they were talking about were. Does anyone have a clue? Unless they meant dark coloured knickers? Nikini, I think they were called. Plastic pants with a thing to hold the pads in place. They were very uncomfortable if the plastic got crispy from washing. I think there were some more expensive ones made from a better material. There was a reason they called it 'the curse' back then because all forms of protection were torture in varying degrees. I don't think they would have taken tampons to a primary school. They were a bit risque in secondary school back then.
I’ve suddenly remembered these! Had completely forgotten. They were like plastic nappies.Awful.
TopsieGreenwood · 31/01/2022 08:48

@TheBestofTimesTheWorstofTimes

Er...... where was Dr Wonderboy? Surely He can sort out unexploded bombs with no need of the Army?? they missed a trick there!
Grin
SirChenjins · 31/01/2022 08:51

He was too busy developing a cure for measles in time for next week’s episode Grin

blobby10 · 31/01/2022 08:59

I too had a mother who announced to my father that "your little girl is now a woman"! Not sure who was more embarrassed him or me! It was lunch time as well and he was tucking into food.Grin. I had just turned 12 which I think was an average age in the late 70's early 80s. We had a 'girls talk' at our first year of high school in 1981/2 and it was involved quite a graphic video about the penis entering the vagina , When I got my second period unexpectedly at school I was given some 'belt pads' and safety pins which I hadn't a clue what to do with as I'd used stick on pads for my first period.

Trisket · 31/01/2022 09:45

The DV case was so poorly explored, being an 'open and shut' case, where the Dad became open about what had gone on and where a 10 year old girl was aware that it fell within the remit of the NSPCC. The 'weapon' of the dog's lead was clearly identified. The mother was arrested and removed from the family who then went on to live happily, despite the father now being a paraplegic. There was nothing for viewers to learn from this.

Far better for the script writers to have explored this from a more realistic angle, where the lines were perhaps more blurred, and to reveal more of both the mother's and the father's histories.

I grew up in the 1960/70s, and am a 'survivor' from a very young age of parental abuse of that period - my mother's violence and my father's complicity in it. But it wasn't all the time and there was no obvious weapon. There were heads: my brother's and mine banged together. There was my head banged against the wall by my mother when there was no brother around. There was soap and water to wash my mouth out. Some years later, a book was bashed around my head over and over. Why did my father know and say nothing? Because divorce was still held as a tremendous 'shame' by the majority, because he would have lost career advantage working for an insurance company which favoured 'family men', and probably because he grew up somewhat dominated by three older sisters. And maybe because the lines were so blurred with what was accepted as normal parental discipline at the time.

I had never heard of the NSPCC but my senior school damn well knew that something was wrong because I was asked by more than one teacher over a period of a few years. And my reply was always 'nothing' because I always believed I had done something wrong. So that was as far as it went with teacher's enquiries. Small wonder that I went on to be diagnosed with clinical depression, which took out my teenage years. Despite my eventually going on to build what outwardly looks like a successful adult life, that patina of 'badness' to this day continues to affect my entire way of thinking, being and relating, even though I have enough awareness of this!

My parents grew older and are now dead. They never had the honesty to explain - and perhaps could not see - why they behaved the way they did and I can only speculate that it was parental frustration and societal complicity that allowed these things to go on and for the child to be blamed, because it certainly wasn't alcohol or drugs.

A decent script writer could have brought out some of the complexities of parental abuse. But then again CTM isn't genuinely gritty, but merely a saccharine offering before we face the daily grind of the week ahead.

TopsieGreenwood · 31/01/2022 09:55

Good point about maybe there was something more behind Nurse Crane's reaction to the mc. Maybe she lost a baby once.
Maybe they didn't show the new playground equipment as they had to fit in Trixie leaving. Or did they show a photo of it?. Not sure if I'm getting mixed up.
I thought they didn't need to show a front view of Lucille sitting on the loo with her pants down like that. They could have done it from a more discreet angle. I know it's part of the storyline and I had mcs myself so am not unsympathetic. Maybe I'm a prude.
The little girl was in Hollington Drive as well as Bly Manor. Very good actress
We had full sex Ed in Year 6 in 1981 but I'm not sure about the 60s. The head was approaching retirement and he'd had a 9 year old at the school start her periods in the past. She didn't know what was happening and told her grandmother who she lived with and the grandmother said if it didn't stop she might bleed to death. Confused So he brought in sex ed. Although we were 10-11. I don't think he asked permission as no one was out of the lessons. We were asked permission for my dc though in 2013 and 2016
Good point that they might have changed the Nurse Crane letter storyline

Hellosunshiner · 31/01/2022 10:00

I thought Nurse Crane OTT in her reaction to Lucille. You'd be very sad for a close friend of course, but she was sobbing more than Lucille herself. As an extremely professional nurse I'd not be expecting Nurse Crane to be falling apart emotionally in the midst of Lucille's crisis, maybe afterwards, but not actually at the time. Perhaps she was remembering Barbara's crisis but the two were very different and anyway, it was Lucille's moment not Nurse Crane's.

I think that Lucille will turn out to have been carrying twins and has lost one of them, but will have a surprise birth with the second. On Christmas Day of course. Still holding out for that side-car crib in a garage manger.

TopsieGreenwood · 31/01/2022 10:02

@Trisket

The DV case was so poorly explored, being an 'open and shut' case, where the Dad became open about what had gone on and where a 10 year old girl was aware that it fell within the remit of the NSPCC. The 'weapon' of the dog's lead was clearly identified. The mother was arrested and removed from the family who then went on to live happily, despite the father now being a paraplegic. There was nothing for viewers to learn from this.

Far better for the script writers to have explored this from a more realistic angle, where the lines were perhaps more blurred, and to reveal more of both the mother's and the father's histories.

I grew up in the 1960/70s, and am a 'survivor' from a very young age of parental abuse of that period - my mother's violence and my father's complicity in it. But it wasn't all the time and there was no obvious weapon. There were heads: my brother's and mine banged together. There was my head banged against the wall by my mother when there was no brother around. There was soap and water to wash my mouth out. Some years later, a book was bashed around my head over and over. Why did my father know and say nothing? Because divorce was still held as a tremendous 'shame' by the majority, because he would have lost career advantage working for an insurance company which favoured 'family men', and probably because he grew up somewhat dominated by three older sisters. And maybe because the lines were so blurred with what was accepted as normal parental discipline at the time.

I had never heard of the NSPCC but my senior school damn well knew that something was wrong because I was asked by more than one teacher over a period of a few years. And my reply was always 'nothing' because I always believed I had done something wrong. So that was as far as it went with teacher's enquiries. Small wonder that I went on to be diagnosed with clinical depression, which took out my teenage years. Despite my eventually going on to build what outwardly looks like a successful adult life, that patina of 'badness' to this day continues to affect my entire way of thinking, being and relating, even though I have enough awareness of this!

My parents grew older and are now dead. They never had the honesty to explain - and perhaps could not see - why they behaved the way they did and I can only speculate that it was parental frustration and societal complicity that allowed these things to go on and for the child to be blamed, because it certainly wasn't alcohol or drugs.

A decent script writer could have brought out some of the complexities of parental abuse. But then again CTM isn't genuinely gritty, but merely a saccharine offering before we face the daily grind of the week ahead.

Sorry you experienced that. I think you made some good points about the DV storyline
Pebble21uk · 31/01/2022 10:22

If you've even seen Stephen McGann's Twitter feed - it often rants on and on about how CTM is 'gritty' and how they cover things as no other programme is doing. He rails against people calling it twee and nostalgic... but Dr Mansplainer doth protest too much.

At the end of the day CTM is 8pm Sunday night viewing. It has happy endings galore, simplified storylines and nostalgia in truckloads... and that's fine. That's why people watch it. Yes, the earlier series at least had more integrity but now it is what it is.
What really annoys me is this constant misplaced belief by the showrunners that they are on a par with Ken Loach! What they do to try and achive this is is place incongruous scenes in the middle of twee Sunday night viewing... such as Lucille miscarrying in full view on the toilet or a gangrenous foot coming off in someone's hand! It doesn't make it gritty - it makes it unsure of itself and its audience.

If you really want a current Twitter spat though - apparently there were some Tweets last night relating to how Helen George's pregnancy made scenes look awkward. She politely defended herself (fair play) and then Olly Rix (Matthew) defended her by reactng to one such Tweet with, 'Take a bow. Dumbest fucking tweet of the night'... which is perhaps the least twee thing I have ever seen come out of the CTM stable on screen or off!

User48751490 · 31/01/2022 10:25

@Hellosunshiner

I thought Nurse Crane OTT in her reaction to Lucille. You'd be very sad for a close friend of course, but she was sobbing more than Lucille herself. As an extremely professional nurse I'd not be expecting Nurse Crane to be falling apart emotionally in the midst of Lucille's crisis, maybe afterwards, but not actually at the time. Perhaps she was remembering Barbara's crisis but the two were very different and anyway, it was Lucille's moment not Nurse Crane's.

I think that Lucille will turn out to have been carrying twins and has lost one of them, but will have a surprise birth with the second. On Christmas Day of course. Still holding out for that side-car crib in a garage manger.

I also thought nurse Crane was over reacting too. Surely you would hold it together until after the shift....I appreciate how upsetting it must have been for Lucille. It must have been a difficult scene to act.
viques · 31/01/2022 10:32

@Hellosunshiner

I thought Nurse Crane OTT in her reaction to Lucille. You'd be very sad for a close friend of course, but she was sobbing more than Lucille herself. As an extremely professional nurse I'd not be expecting Nurse Crane to be falling apart emotionally in the midst of Lucille's crisis, maybe afterwards, but not actually at the time. Perhaps she was remembering Barbara's crisis but the two were very different and anyway, it was Lucille's moment not Nurse Crane's.

I think that Lucille will turn out to have been carrying twins and has lost one of them, but will have a surprise birth with the second. On Christmas Day of course. Still holding out for that side-car crib in a garage manger.

I assumed that Nurse Crane had also at some point in her life had a miscarriage. We don’t know her backstory, but to me it looked as though watching someone she is fond of experiencing a miscarriage was overwhelmingly triggering in a way that transcended her normal professional boundaries.
Yoksha · 31/01/2022 10:39

Quite an episode. I'm 65 & was a victim of same. She beat me with a leash. Kicked me when I fell to the floor. Threatened worse if I told my dad.

When I was 7 in 1964, she kicked me really violently. From end of Aug the problems started. Spent most of Sept visiting Gp. Vomiting, abdo pain etc.
Blue lit to hospital. Ruptured bowel. I still remember the pain. Was in & out of consciousness for 2 wks. I wasn't allowed to go home. Time was a bit blurred. Last year I was watching a documentary on Churchill's funeral. I was not home, I watched this at the home with lots of other children having a special tea. It was the first time I'd had ice cream with hot choc sauce, I remember with clarity. My dad never came once to visit me. My mum was never allowed to visit me on my own. I returned to my life. There were a few violent episodes, like burning my fingers in the gas flame etc. But I grew up.
Nobody alive now to talk except one uncle who is in his 80's & was in the army. He wasn't aware. The family swept it under the carpet.
💐 to everyone who survives.

viques · 31/01/2022 10:42

@eleanorwish

From the teaser for the next episode it looks like Dr Turner is going to have a crack at eradicating measles next week!
You sound as though you think that is an impossibility. You should have more faith in the good Doctor. You know it makes sense.

Mind you, I do worry that there won’t actually be any illnesses for young Doctor Tim to deal with when he qualifies/ grows facial hair - delete as applicable - because his dad will have eradicated them.

Toddlerteaplease · 31/01/2022 10:48

I thought nurse Cranes reaction to Lucille's miscarriage a bit OTT. I wonder if it was because there was a different storyline planned that the didn't use, as a PP said.

OP posts:
Itstheprinciple · 31/01/2022 10:52

I'd like a bit more exploration of the back stories. WAAF nun has clearly got a lot of worldly experience that she alludes to and it would be good to know more about Nurse Crane.

I think because they usually like to get cases opened and closed in the same episode, there is less opportunity for nuance. Some issues like thalidomide and the radiation poisoning spanned over different episodes so perhaps there could be more scope to do that.

Hellosunshiner · 31/01/2022 11:05

I'm sure they'd love to explore some issues more fully but with so many in the standard cast (all valuable characters too) there's just not the time to do it. I think they also have to please the majority of the viewers who want a gentle trip down memory lane and a bit of drama, but not anything too graphically hard-hitting. There are other dramas to watch which are more hard-hitting but that's likely not CTM's core audience. If they went too sad and graphic, a lot of people wouldn't like that either for being too disturbing. It's a fine balance.

Some of the earlier episodes were hard to watch, because they were based on true stories which didn't always have a happy ending or a resolution (which is real life). I think they try to get resolution within an episode now so we can all sleep on a Sunday night Smile

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 31/01/2022 11:12

I wish I had had a Nurse Crane with me when I miscarried. I really felt for Lucille hearing the baby crying while she was lying in that bed.

I've said it before... I'd love CTM to move back in history a bit. Younger Sisters Julienne, Monica Joan and Evanagelina.

Hellosunshiner · 31/01/2022 11:14

viques But if Nurse Crane does turn out to have personal experience of miscarriage, I think that point would have been better made if it had shown her crying afterwards in a personal moment of reflection.

TopsieGreenwood · 31/01/2022 11:21

Yes, I'd love a prequel. I wonder how long the series will go on for. They've got up to my friend's birth year 1967. Fellow fan. I'd love it to get to mine, 1971.
They should have had the skittle bombs being somehow launched into the air and St Patrick of Poplar catching them one by one and disarming them and then winking at the camera

PriamFarrl · 31/01/2022 11:27

Phyllis didn’t let Lucille see how upset he was though did she?

If you really want a current Twitter spat though - apparently there were some Tweets last night relating to how Helen George's pregnancy made scenes look awkward. She politely defended herself (fair play) and then Olly Rix (Matthew) defended her by reactng to one such Tweet with, 'Take a bow. Dumbest fucking tweet of the night'... which is perhaps the least twee thing I have ever seen come out of the CTM stable on screen or off!

Yes, covering her pregnancy made it look awkward but we are adults and understand that.

I’ve just thought though, this god mother who has no one, will leave her fortune to Trixie. Will she get married and give up work?

Pebble21uk · 31/01/2022 11:31

We do know some of Nurse Crane's backstory - she was born out of wedlock to a single mother. She had a boyfriend during WW2 who never came home. In one episode she confessed to one of the other midwives she had slept with him when he was on leave and was always glad she did so... no hint of pregnancy though.
The suggestion was that for an old spinster, that was her only experience and she went into her career rather than any other relationships post war. I think the idea she has miscarried is stretching it!
It was a bizarre reaction to both the primium bond win and the miscarriage... especially given Nurse Crane's no nonsence approach to life!

GruffaloSolja · 31/01/2022 11:45

I think they're trying to shoehorn too many plotlines into each episode, and it's not giving us as an audience a time or chance to connect or empathise fully with the characters. Neither is there any room for character development of the series regulars. I felt the plot with the little girl, paraplegic dad, and abusive mother was very disjointed and poorly done. It was like the the writers didn't understand the subject matter at all. In the past the sisters would have connected with the girl and they would have got to the heart of the situation. But instead she ended up telling her teacher. The subplot about the rusty roundabout and jumble sale was completely pointless as was the unexploded incinedary bomb.

JoanOgden · 31/01/2022 11:48

Maybe Phyllis is going to have a menopause plotline? Becoming more emotional at the change of life...

Swipe left for the next trending thread