Guilt Series 2 *Spoiler alert* Title edited by MNHQ

[thatgingergirl]

Starts next week - really looking forward to it. Loved the first series.

Had to google this to remember

The 2 brothers who ran over the old man

Scotland get it tue

England Thur

Rewatching series one right now. Such good writing, such a good cast, brilliant soundtrack.

oh i liked this

Did anyone watch last night

This is brilliant. Mark Bonnar is a great actor and very fanciable. The guy playing Teddy is great. He was the uncle in the A word playing a benign bloke but is excellent as a scary thug.

I’ve just finished series 2. Very enjoyable though I’m not sure I totally followed the last episode!

It's brilliant, love the soundtrack as well.

Found Guilt totally by accident- its brilliant.

I didn’t like s2 as much

Do you need to seen season 1 to watch season 2?

No. I watched series 1 but had forgotten most of it. Agree the music was great.

Mark Bonnar is a great actor and very fanciable

Totally agree. He's one of my favourite actors.

Gah! I am so disappointed with series 2, ruined by never ending monologues that nobody ever interrupts and ridiculous shoe horned in ridiculous sex (poor poor actors having to film that).

The reason the first series was so good was because it was allowed to percolate a bit and tell the story without relying on cliche, series 2 is the total opposite and it's grim. It's a shame, it seems like it was a good story before the dramahook filled editing was finished wrecking it.

I kept zoning out with this one, not as good as season 1

enjoying it, you do have to concentrate though, love Mark Bonnar

Err, what was going on in this series, I’m rather confused by it all?!

@Cocopopsss

Err, what was going on in this series, I’m rather confused by it all?!

How many episodes have you watched so far? Everyone is double crossing each other, every one has a secret or something to feel guilty about. It becomes clearer as it goes on and I thought it was just as good as the first series.

@Rhannion

Lol I’ve watched it all. But maybe I wasn’t concentrating Too much double crossing young on for my liking

Spoiler alert !!!!

Max was working for the police woman in the woolly hat all along to bring down Roy.
There was a body buried where the building work was going to happen. The man who was buried had abused Roy and others at a children’s home which Phyllis Logan had burnt down in revenge, she also murdered the man. It was his blood that Erin saw that Xmas eve.
The priest was Erin’s real father, there was a flash back in episode two, I think, of the priest and Phylis in a bar and you had to join the dots from that.
I think it’s suggested that Teddy throws Roy off the roof of his fancy flat or just kills him there in revenge for his brother. ( remember Max said that Teddy was a psychopath and he was frightened of him)
The policewoman in the woolly hat obviously has been after Roy for years but it was unclear why although PL did make a reference about being sorry about her family.
Kenny was the good guy out of all of them so goes off into the sunset with his love.

I loved it especially the ending.

If you watched the first series the character of Roy was played by Bill Paterson.

@Rhannion, thank you for that summary, I came on to this thread to find out what it was all about!

I think being thrown off the building was also implied too and a whole lot better given his psychopathic tendencies - it’s actually too grim to think about really.

Re. Phyllis Logan, yes it was odd what she said about the woolly hatted woman’s parents, I didn’t get the reference either. Also, when she said about the pills for dementia, was that her basically saying she’s going to ‘forget’ everything and claim incapacity?

Overall I enjoyed it (not as much as first series) but I’m going to have to go back and rewatch!

Don't read on if you don't want to see spoilers spoilers spoilers (but sounds as though you have all watched to the end - shall we ask mnhq to edit the title to alert?!)

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I thought we were supposed to infer that woolly hatted woman was the daughter of Albert (the murdered social worker), who thought that Roy had killed him, hence was out to get him. And hence her slightly unprofessional enthusiasm. But now, i am not sure - especially as she didn't react much when she first heard about the murder 23 yrs ago. So maybe her family was a victim of one of Roy's many other crimes?

I think it was Albert in the christmas eve bar flashback - with Phyllis Logan luring him to his death? (The two witness statements that were referred to)

One thing I didn't understand - the Clash record - was that some kind of message to Jake from Max? Jake looked at it very meaningfully when he saw it on the desk. And was the anti-Jake rant by Max to Jake a fake, intended to pull the wool over Phyllis Logan's eyes, or did he mean it?

I don’t think Jake meant it but do think he has mixed feelings about Max turning up in that last scene, which was filmed in Glasgow, which has doubled for America cities recently in new Indiana Jones and Batman films.

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Thanks @Rhannion for summarising.

But what I don’t get is how did Max figure out that the born again Priest was actually Erin’s dad. How did Roy find this out? When he was sat next to his sleeping wife, she woke and he said he had changed his mind about the living together in the flat in Leith.

In the bar, I thought Phyllis was luring Albert to his death. So Phyllis was the real bad guy? She killed him and allowed Erin to think that Roy had done something wrong. And that someone crashed into her because of Roy’s actions, when it was actually her own?