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Death in Bollywood

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Happylittlethoughts · 13/01/2021 16:37

I'm watching episodes 1 and 2 and I'm hooked. A great documentary for amateur sleuths.
Poor Jiah seems caught between a questionable boyfriend and a high pressure mother. I'm changing my mind frequently on what happened that night!
Anyone else watching? What do you think happened? Missing evidence? History of MH issues?
It reminds me very much of Oscar Pistorius case.

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Cosmos123 · 13/01/2021 21:16

It does seem to get more conflicting the more you watch.
I feel that Jiah's past where she was sexually assaulted was not dealt with properly. I'm not sure she received the right support afterwards. Then just spring boarding into Bollywood was not the right journey for her.

Her mother although loving I feel did pressure/ influenced this decision.
The boyfriend also comes from a dysfunctional family. In his own words his father is aggressive and he is scared of him. He openly has affairs yet his suffering mother puts up with it. This is not a good example of how to treat woman.

Then the two find each other and the relationship is volatile one. He clearly is unfaithful and she is vulnerable.

A lot of truth seems to be hidden. The missing tracksuit, BlackBerry messages a d the scarf she supposedly hung herself with.

There seems to be alot of guilt from both sets of parents.

It is fascinating it also incredibly sad.

Happylittlethoughts · 13/01/2021 22:08

I agree. I felt sad with the snippets,which said her mother made her and her diskettes do hours and hours of filming . Every clip her mother filmed she asked her to stop filming. Some were really close up.
I'm just off to watch the 3rd episode

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hollieberrie · 13/01/2021 23:30

If it want for the missing tracksuit and the strange loop mark on her neck, if be convinced it was suicide. But both those things are very strange. The mum was sooooo pushy. But the boyfriend really didn't come across too well either.

ArsenicNLace · 14/01/2021 10:09

The missing tracksuit is strange but I do wonder what the point would have been to remove it? Re the blank Blackberry I actually wondered if one of Jiah's family members cleared it because the contents didn't look good for Jiah. Or Jiah herself because she didn't want people to see her conversations?? It clearly was a very dysfunctional relationship between Jiah and her boyfriend and there may have been a lot of stuff on that phone between the two of them which made neither of them look good.

The thing is we only have a snapshot of the information. Yes there was a strange mark on her neck but we didn't see the actual scarf she hung herself with. I wondered if the scarf had some sort of beading or embroidery on it that caused that oval shape. You would need to see the ligature intact to be able to fully comment.

When the boyfriend described Jiah cutting her wrists in an apparent suicide attempt he got a doctor there (who was interviewed and confirmed his story and also later said she suffered from depression) and went to the mother to tell her of the suicide attempt and saying he didn't know what to to do. The mother in interview said that wasn't true whilst the stepfather said they hadn't asked her about it because they didn't want to 'embarrass' her. There was also the suicide attempt after the failed court case in London so she did have the propensity to self harm which can sometimes go a bit too far.

I firmly think it was suicide. Murder in the circumstances given makes no sense. I could have understood it if the boyfriend had gone to her flat to tell her to leave him alone, there's been an argument and he's strangled her in a fit of anger and then set it up to look like suicide (although difficult to manoevre a dead body and hang it from the fan on his own) plus he didn't know who was going to return to the flat and when. However as it's clear he never entered the flat through the front door the only other way would be that he climbed up in through her window which was on the 2nd/3rd floor (and left the same way)? The only reason he would do that was if he was planning to kill her in advance and he didn't really have any motive that I could see. Also she died in a half hour period between 11 and 11:30. That doesn't leave much time for all this to take place.

The oddest thing I thought was when the boyfriend's father went to tell his son Jiah was dead. He said the that the first thing he said to his son was ,'Did you do anything to her' (or words to that effect). Really odd. It's not the first thing I would think of saying to my child if I'd just found out their GF had apparently killed themselves. Although maybe the father judges himself by his own standards.

The tracksuit disappearance is odd but the scene was never preserved and we have no idea as to who was going in and out. Did the family have servants who could have cleared up and thrown stuff away?

All in all very sad.

Cosmos123 · 14/01/2021 11:38

I am swaying more towards suicide.

I dont fully beleive the accounts of the house servant nor the doctor as bribery is rife.
The father also has a lot of influence and connections with the Police, politicians etc.
However, I do believe she had a history of mental health issues and high levels of insecurity.

The stepfather not wanting to embarrass her about talking about apparent suicide attempt was sad.
Had they brushed all her mental health issues under the carpet in the past too?

The QC did say he had never heard of anyone get changed into pyjamas's to commit suicide was odd too.

ArsenicNLace · 14/01/2021 11:48

Yes I realise bribery is rife but re the suicide attempt it was something the boyfriend told the family about ( confirmed by the step father) so unless he was planning to kill her all along and was setting the ground work to set up a fake suicide there's no reason to say it wasn't true. The post mortem should have found evidence of self harm but no one mentioned it either way.

I agree re the 'brushing the suicide' under the carpet. I suspect lots of things were hence Jiah never really got the support she needed. Plus here career wasn't going as well as she hoped.

Unfortunately I don't think the mother will ever get what she wants ( although I do think she's in denial about a lot of things) but whatever you think of the boyfriend it's not fair to keep him on bail indefinitely without any resolution one way or the other.

ArsenicNLace · 14/01/2021 11:50

Also why would they assume she'd changed pjs to commit suicide. She may have changed for bed but the text messages continued and pushed her over the edge? Maybe she was planning on going to bed but became overwhelmed by her emotions?

ArsenicNLace · 14/01/2021 12:16

Maybe she didn't intend to kill herself but it was a cry for help and she knew her mother would be back shortly?

Cosmos123 · 14/01/2021 15:44

Like you say it does look like a cry for help that went wrong. She had a history of self harm and attempted suicide before.
I believe it is not good to string it out.
It is not healthy for both parties.

The mother will never accept the verdict of suicide but she has highlighted the case and bought it to the highest authorities to review. So she should feel like she did the best for Jiah.

I feel she should perhaps change her focus and maybe look at working with charities which support young girls with mental health issues.

It could give her something positive to do in her daughters name.
As currently she is on the brink of making herself bankrupt.

ArsenicNLace · 14/01/2021 16:23

@Cosmos123

Like you say it does look like a cry for help that went wrong. She had a history of self harm and attempted suicide before. I believe it is not good to string it out. It is not healthy for both parties.

The mother will never accept the verdict of suicide but she has highlighted the case and bought it to the highest authorities to review. So she should feel like she did the best for Jiah.

I feel she should perhaps change her focus and maybe look at working with charities which support young girls with mental health issues.

It could give her something positive to do in her daughters name.
As currently she is on the brink of making herself bankrupt.

Totally agree.
WowIlikereallyhateyou · 14/01/2021 16:27

Sadly, the main thing that came out of it for me was that her mother seemed to be living her life through her daughter, who she really didn’t know at all. I thought the 14 yo going out with a 28 yo was weird too. Surely at that age her mother would know what she was up to or where shewas?

Happylittlethoughts · 14/01/2021 16:34

The tracksuit is definitely a red herring as it could have been removed as a macabre souvenir by anyone at the scene. The strange oval mark on her skin was never fully investigated, but like you all, I was left fairly convinced it was suicide. All the chat of her being a strong person from good genes ( wow ?) so she couldn't have done such a thing just highlighted the complete lack of understanding of mh issues. These had obviously been plaguing poor Jiah all her life and were roundly ignored by her family.
People who commit suicide can show no signs at all and make all sorts of arrangements so behaviour beforehand is irrelevant.

I think it was her reaction to the break up . The final straw that pushed her to do it impulsively that night.
I felt so sad for her. I think seeing her (abusive) relationship fail and feeling she'd be less valued by her mother for her failing career, her confidence and self esteem must have plunged terribly.
It was so fascinating to see the perspectives on one event . I guess the truth is in the middle.

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Cosmos123 · 14/01/2021 18:09

Shocking how a court thought a 14 year old and a 28 year old could have had a legitimate relationship. She was found to have consented because of love letters she had wrote??
Had they not heard of grooming??

Cosmos123 · 14/01/2021 18:10

And there must have been guilt from the mother as she clearly had neglected or totally this aspect of her life.

Cosmos123 · 14/01/2021 18:12

*missed

purpleme12 · 14/01/2021 20:48

Yes i also thought it was wierd how the first thing the dad said to his son was ' tell me you didn't do anything' (or words to that effect)

And also thought it was really odd all the talk about her being so strong and the family being so strong etc implying that that was the reason she couldn't have any mental health problems, just really wierd saying all that.

Interesting point above about the stepdad saying they knew about the cutting but the mum denying it - so the mum is making all of this up then? because she finds it so hard to deal with maybe?

ArsenicNLace · 14/01/2021 21:00

It's actually very similar to the case of Morgan Ingram in America. She was an 18 year old who committed suicide in her bedroom by taking an overdose. The mother will not accept it and claimed she had a stalker and this stalker had crept into her bedroom and injected her with the drugs. The PM found no evidence of this and found the tablet remnants in her stomach. The mother just ignores anything that doesn't fit her narrative.

It's really sad what grief can do to people.

CoronaIsWatching · 14/01/2021 21:06

Who gives flowers to someone when they're breaking up with them?

She didn't look distressed in the CCTV footage

ArsenicNLace · 14/01/2021 23:44

Re the flowers I thought it was odd but thought it may be a cultural thing?

pinbinpin · 15/01/2021 17:26

I found it a clear case of suicide, maybe a cry for help one that went wrong. The mother was totally deluded. She was clearly damaged and struggling mentally - mainly from being raped at 14 and it all been swept under the carpet/her deemed to have consented. What kind of message does that send? I think the mother must shoulder much if the blame. Who takes a sexually abused 14y old girl, who's been put through a court case, disbelieved, traumatized and then less that a year later, pimps her out in a highly sexualised way to an industry that she's knows is riddled with abuse in a foreign country?

No wonder she was suicidal.

Meredusoleil · 16/01/2021 16:48

Where can I watch this please?

pinbinpin · 16/01/2021 16:51

I think it's on iPlayer

Meredusoleil · 16/01/2021 16:54

@pinbinpin

I think it's on iPlayer
Thanks. Found it 👍
ElspethFlashman · 16/01/2021 17:02

There was mentions of "knots" on the dupatta from the male family friend who tried to untie it. So I suspect the circular mark came from the knots.

I found it really frustrating that her family weren't asked any really probing questions. They weren't asked about the previous attempt(s). They weren't asked about self harming. They weren't asked if she was receiving treatment for depression.

I 100% she took her own life. But I found the documentary was too careful of Jiya's family considering they're basically trying to ruin someones life.

pinbinpin · 16/01/2021 17:34

I agree. Looked clearly like a knot mark to my untrained eye. And the tracksuit/pyjamas thing - wasn't it the same outfit?

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