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Anyone watching /watched UnOrthodox?

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Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 09/04/2020 14:06

Binge watched last night (sorry dh for waking you at 1.00 this morning)
Just fabulous, I can really recommend.

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Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 09/04/2020 19:18

Yes she is, lovely face and smile.
@Lynda07, what's the reason for the long curly locks on the men?

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Lynda07 · 10/04/2020 02:01

Something about not shaving 'the corners of your head', an interpretation of a Biblical passage I believe. However different sects have different reasons.

Lynda07 · 10/04/2020 02:03

AnyFucker Thu 09-Apr-20 17:43:36
The actress who plays Esty is tiny
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Yes, very tiny. She looks different with long hair now though, still only about 24 I think.

cushioncovers · 10/04/2020 08:47

I watched it and really enjoyed it. I'm now watching a drama series called Shtisel. Which is about a orthodox man and his family.

midsomermurderess · 10/04/2020 19:09

Shira Haas. I thought it was her, so glad for the confirmation.

katycantrip · 10/04/2020 19:15

I finished watching Shtisel a few weeks ago and loved it. Just waiting for the third series, which I presume will now be delayed. Watched Unorthodox a few days ago and really liked that too. The two are actually very different: Shtisel features a much larger cast of characters for one thing. Btw the actress who plays Esty is also in Shtisel

Lynda07 · 10/04/2020 19:36

katycantrip, I haven't seen that, thanks for heads up.

frugalkitty · 10/04/2020 21:06

I watched this yesterday, really enjoyed it.

cushioncovers · 12/04/2020 13:30

Just watched the program One of Us. Fascinating insight to people who try to leave the Hasidic faith.

Neverending2020 · 13/04/2020 01:23

Shtisel is fantastic as well. Shira Haas plays the daughter.

clpsmum · 13/04/2020 07:35

Am I the only one who didn't enjoy it?

And also liked yanky much more than esty!

GenXer · 13/04/2020 09:15

Family member of ex-Ultra-Orthodox here, so might be able to answer a few questions.

Although @Lynda07 is right, the sect Etsy belonged to (Satmar) is not Chassidic, they are Charedi which is very different from the more outgoing Lubavitcher sect.
All of these 'Courts' as well as the many other sects come from one main founder, the Baal Shem Tov. These are almost like dynasties with the same power struggles you'd find in corporations. Usually when the Rav or Rebbe (the senior guy at the top) dies it's a son who takes the seat, but sometimes there isn't a son so a trusted second in command takes the seat. Here's where the decimation happens because if the community don't like / agree with the new Rav they form another Court around whom they think should've inherited the role.

The Lubavitch are the most outgoing of all the 'Ultra-Orthodox' this term is problematic to most as they don't see themselves as such, this is 'the right way' and the rest of us Jews are mostly apostates Sad I mentioned the Lubavitch due to their outreach work trying to bring us Reform / Liberal and secular Jews back to the more traditional forms of practicing Judaism. You see a lot of them in NYC approaching any men who look remotely Jewish and asking them when they last laid tefilin (the little boxes wound around the left arm and the forehead). When a Jew returns to this kind of traditional Judaism and religious observance they are called Baal T'shuvah which literally means 'returned'.

Each court has its own style of dress, which if you are in the know is interesting to spot. The Lubavitch boys and men wear black fedoras usually Italian Borsalinos, but there are other sects in Israel who also wear fedoras but the brim is of different width, or they wear the band of the hat a different way.
The large mink tail hats are called Streimels and are only worn on Shabbes (Shabbat) weddings and festivals. I have seen a huge plastic streimel filled with popcorn worn for the Jewish festival of Purim, the one time Jewish men (it's always the men) can get drunk and cross dress.
Then there's the long white socks worn on Shabbes and these tend to be Satmar men who wear them but there is another court of Belz who wear long black socks and white kippot (little skull caps) that have a long tip sticking up from the crown.
The payess (peyot - long side curls) do indeed come from the Torah commandment of not cutting corners on hair https://www.ou.org/torah/mitzvot/taryag/mitzvah251/ but not all sects follow it the same way, some wear them long, some tuck them up and some keep them short. There are approximately 613 mitzvot or commandments you have to keep if you are an observant Jew and these cover everything! Especially family purity as demonstrated to Etsy before her wedding day in her Kallah (Bridal) classes. A rabbi has to inspect these cloths if there is any confusion over spotting and there is a pigeon hole for this outside of his office.

The women have their own set of dress rules. When I'm in Macy's or Kate Spade in the Rockefeller Centre I usually see them with their families. The married ones will be wearing their sheitels (wigs) usually in similar styles, dark clothing, bulletproof stockings, flat or flatform shoes (the sound of a woman's high heel is considered too alluring) with little silk pillbox hats on their shiny, natural hair wigs. They will be talking in Yiddish but will switch to English when asking for assistance.

It's a tough existence to live if you are different by wanting more out of life. Particularly if you were Satmar, they strive to be the most vigorous adherents of the commandments, hence the shaving off of women's hair. Nowhere in the Torah does it specify this has to happen. Even in Talmud (the many books of Rabbinical commentary of the Torah). To me, as someone very close to it, these sects are almost cultish with their deference to a particular leader or place, the non exposure to wider information ie education, news, music, radio, books etc.

Sorry, I've really rambled on! Confused

Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 13/04/2020 09:28

@GenXer That's really interesting reading, thank you for taking the time, I find it all totally fascinating.

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GenXer · 13/04/2020 09:32

@Ihopeyourcakeisshit thank you, I'm sorry I did waffle on a bit! I can recommend some other books and films if you like? It's funny because as someone very close to this kind of Judaism I find the Amish as interesting as you must find us Smile

Shmithecat2 · 13/04/2020 10:29

Just finished episode 4, now watching the making of. I found it all very emotional. Quite compelling.

Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 13/04/2020 13:10

@GenXer Recommend away, Grin I got quite carried away following your mitzvah link.
I find it all so interesting.

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cushioncovers · 13/04/2020 13:46

Wow Gen thanks for your post, very interesting. It seems such a complex way of life.

Patch23042 · 13/04/2020 16:44

Thank you Gen. Fascinating!

DC3dilemma · 13/04/2020 16:49

@Ihopeyourcakeisshit

If you enjoyed this, there is also a good documentary on Netflix called One of Us, also about Hasidic Jews (specifically 3 individuals trying to leave) from Brooklyn.

paap1975 · 14/04/2020 16:37

I found it made uncomfortable watching. How fortunate we are to be born into such freedom...

TheClootieDumplin · 14/04/2020 17:10

I started to watch it but found the pace extremely slow and I gave up in it in episode 2.

huckleberrychin · 14/04/2020 18:01

The woman who the book is based on gave an interview on irish radio today. It was fascinating. I'm going to buy the book on the back of her interview.

I really enjoyed this program but found the other documentary One of Us so distressing.

pinkpinecone · 15/04/2020 00:31

Thought it was brilliant and one of the best things I've seen on Netflix recently.

Found myself very distracted by the similarities between Yiddish and German.

cushioncovers · 15/04/2020 08:48

Found myself very distracted by the similarities between Yiddish and German.

Yes I noticed that.

Ulysses · 15/04/2020 08:50

I loved it. It was interesting and authentic and the acting was tremendous. I knew it was based on a true story but didn't realise the part in Berlin was fictional. I did think everything moved a bit too quickly for her there.

The actress playing Esty has the most remarkable face. She reminds me of a cross between Alyssa Milano and Scarlett Johanssen. She is like a doll but so fierce with it. Her diminutive stature made me think she could be even younger than 19.

That's fascinating @GenXer, thank you for sharing. I did wonder about her hair and why it was an odd style. I didn't realise it was a wig until later on.

I am going to read the book as well. The story reminds me of Uneducated by Tara Westover, which tells of her upbringing in a Mormon community and her escape from it.

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