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The Baby Has Landed

796 replies

Sotiredsomuch · 27/11/2019 21:05

Anyone watching?

I love stuff like this.

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IWorkAtTheCheesecakeFactory · 14/12/2019 11:03

It's bad enough that women are brainwashed into thinking they should be back in their size 10 jeans and in work at week 3 or whatever.

The size 10- maybe- not on MN that’s for sure. But back at work in 3 weeks? Nah. No women think that. You’re making things up.

Boyo7 · 14/12/2019 11:03

And acknowledging it makes it ok?

IWorkAtTheCheesecakeFactory · 14/12/2019 11:05

Confused not at all. Did I say that? I was pointing out that hi wasn’t the magnificent mind but reader she thinks she is- the information was already given to us.

Boyo7 · 14/12/2019 11:08

Why are you so invested in defending these men?

IWorkAtTheCheesecakeFactory · 14/12/2019 11:37

Why are you so invested in demonising them?

(It’s ok, I know why- your posts reek of it)

Boyo7 · 14/12/2019 11:40

Nothing to do with their sexuality; everything to do with their selfishness.

NoSauce · 14/12/2019 11:41

The fact that the men were tearful in the car, tells me, they are aware of what they have done

Yep. They even said that they felt awful leaving Mel at the hospital. I can’t imagine many people wouldn’t have.

IWorkAtTheCheesecakeFactory · 14/12/2019 11:45

Ok boyo 👍

Boyo7 · 14/12/2019 11:49

So if you are a homosexual you get a free pass to behave whatever way you want now? As if any accusation, of any nature, is levelled against you - such as, this was selfish - you can immediately defend yourself by attacking 'you are homophobic'?

SmileyClare · 14/12/2019 12:21

I felt uncomfortable with the surrogacy story too. Mel's husband seemed to feature very little. Obviously he had accepted his wife being a surrogate but it came across as entirely her choice. He could have been with her at the hospital when the babies went home with dads to comfort her? Would be interesting to hear his views.

That said, I do think the two gay dads will be good parents. For all the mention on here of babies needing to be nurtured, be close to the heartbeat from the womb, and the "primal wound" the twins seemed incredibly settled and content. I don't agree that it would cause those babies emotional trauma to be away from the woman who carried them during the "4th" trimester.

And congratulations Sleeping on your own twins! Flowers
Appreciate you're probably in a sleep deprived whirl but a photo would be lovely.

stairway · 14/12/2019 12:32

From a feminist perspective it is important for society to discuss ethics surrounding surrogacy. It was very sugar coated in the documentary. Surrogacy laws are changing all the time. It’s important people are aware of the very real issues. For the sake of women

NoSauce · 14/12/2019 12:38

I don't agree that it would cause those babies emotional trauma to be away from the woman who carried them during the "4th" trimester.

Have a read of this.

www.psychologicalscience.org/publications/observer/obsonline/how-mother-child-separation-causes-neurobiological-vulnerability-into-adulthood.html

Sparklybaublefest · 14/12/2019 12:54

I didnt like the man bottle feeding the bottle without picking her up, i hate seeing that, it is so detached.

SmileyClare · 14/12/2019 13:36

Thanks NoSauce That article is interesting but it actually focuses on separating a child (or rat in this case) from the mother from the "point where the babies begin to recognise their mother's face and voice" separation can then cause "traumatic emotional responses".

I'm paraphrasing but the researcher is essentially studying the affects of completely cutting offspring off from the mother and not substituting the mother. Homer himself argues that the emotional response was largely due to a loss of warmth a child receives through bodily contact, nutrients and psychological interactions with it's mother.

You could argue that the two dads are the mother figure in this scenario, they bonded from birth and are providing the warmth, nurture and psychological interactions their children need to prevent them being traumatised.
That cannot be compared to a baby or rat being isolated postnatally.

SmileyClare · 14/12/2019 13:38

Sorry I called the scientist Homer, it's actually Hofer. Grin

gingersausage · 14/12/2019 15:12

Why do people have to keep referring to them as “the two gay dads”? Why not just the two dads or the two men or the male parents? Literally no one else’s sexuality is mentioned in relation to their parenting. It’s so grating.

I’m horribly uncomfortable with surrogacy too, and not just for same sex parents. When female celebrities casually rent wombs to carry their babies I have the same misgivings.

lynsey91 · 14/12/2019 15:57

I think the two dads will make great parents. I certainly think they are likely to give the twins more time and attention than the couple with the 5 children do.

SmileyClare · 14/12/2019 16:45

I agree Iynsey r.e the dads.

Apologies for referring to the same sex couple as the The two gay dads. It was a simply a way to differentiate them from the other dads. I don't think it's an offensive label? I don't particularly care about their sexuality!

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2019 16:55

It doesn’t matter if she consented of course it does. The whole bad men not fit to be fathers for letting their babies at risk, Mom is good and loving "doesn't if they ALL consented to putting the babies at risk

@IWorkAtTheCheesecakeFactory identical boys

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2019 16:58

@Sotiredsomuch

The Baby Has Landed
IWorkAtTheCheesecakeFactory · 14/12/2019 18:20

Beautiful! 😍 you must be over the moon!

Christmastree43 · 14/12/2019 19:36

How gorgeous @SleepingStandingUp a million congratulations and well done Flowers

SmileyClare · 14/12/2019 19:53

Well done Sleeping they're absolutely beautiful. Congratulations Flowers

stairway · 14/12/2019 19:59

Beautiful babies sleeping, however consent in terms of medical ethics doesn’t give permission for a doctor to do whatever he likes. Or for any other human for that matter.

stairway · 14/12/2019 21:10

You can be exploited even if you consent.