21 kids and counting

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Just watching the latest episode - how on earth do they afford to run that household? iPhones for the kids, holidays to Spain for 20 people, a new kitchen.

There is no way a bakery would generate that much money. Would channel 4 really pay that well for their participation in the programme?

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Copy and paste fail there. Should read ‘must be mind numbing.’

Im sort of glad i missed this when it was on 🙈

Hubanmao she was a child when she had the baby, no time to develop independence, free thinking skills, this is all she has known. It is a very limiting life

I did find myself wondering how Sue and Noel would react if one of their daughters got pregnant at age 13, ie: Year 8 in school, by an 18 year old man.

My gut feeling is that Sue would giggle about it and pass it off as ‘one of those things’ and that Noel would go ballistic.

Yes I bet, double standards.

The one who had the most “normal” foundation years.

That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. He's probably very sad at the media circus his family has become 🙁

Trauma during the post natal stage like being removed from mother causes psychological damage that can result in emotional stunting.

I would say her emotional stunting has come from her still being a child when she started having babies rather than her adoption that she wouldn't have remembered anyway, could be wrong though 🤷‍♀️

I don't think either have much to offer beyond sperm and an uterus tbh. Her and Noel are like glorified landladies from the 1930s.

Re: Chris’s childhood when he turned 16 Sue was having her 10th baby so I suppose a family of 10 isn’t that unusual, there must be thousands in the U.K.?

I would have expected them to be more involved grandparents than they are considering how much Sue loves babies.

Why isn’t she out buying prams etc for her 4 DGC?

They obviously don’t do any babysitting for their DCs!

I don’t think Sue has much choice but to stay and put up with Noel. Imagine if she presented at her council or women’s aid saying she was homeless- they’d have to buy a hotel to put them all in! They can squeeze into a 10 bed as owner occupiers but if she was to be allocated a council house it would have to be at least 7 bedrooms and all the over 16s would have to stay with Noel or go and live independently. Then as a new claimant she would get hit by the benefit cap and literally wouldn’t be able to feed them all. Some of the older adult children would probably have to take in some of the younger ones as kinship carers so Sue would only be left with 4/5/6.

Separating them all would be even more harmful emotional abuse than anything they are currently being accused of.

She is literally a woman trapped.

Just watched the house tour on YouTube. How come, when the other kids are squeezed in together, Chloe has the biggest room to herself and also a makeup room downstairs? Anyone would think they don't want her to move out!! Can't think why 😒

My 14 year old ds1 thought Sue should get a job at a nursery so she could look after babies. I agree. He has more insight than a supposedly grown woman. I think she likes the being looked after you get when you're pregnant. Also it's all she's known. There must be psychological damage when you are dropped from being the newborn as you're too old and have been replaced.

I would say they are involved grandparents, Sophie and her 3 DC's are around a lot plus still going on holiday with them. We don't know the situation with the 4th GC, maybe the mum doesn't want the child posted on SM. Chris has moved away from the area, imagine being his GF and hearing that Sue and Noel is coming with all the siblings in tow...I'd go into hiding

My 14 year old ds1 thought Sue should get a job at a nursery so she could look after babies. I agree.

I wouldn’t want her looking after my children. I don’t think she has the first clue about the emotional needs of children. And as I said before, she’s pretty piss poor on even the basics of keeping children physically safe, providing them with stimulating books, and feeding them healthy food. Having seen her watch her own kids beating the shit out of each other and actively upsetting her own child during that meal and finding it amusing, I wouldn’t want her anywhere near regulated childcare

So you agree she should but as long as it's not your kids?

No. I said I don’t agree with the PP I quoted

You have to be trained to be nursery nurse. She would need to learn how to care for children and pass exams. Also she would be supervised. I think it's better for everybody than what's happening at the moment. Also it would give her an identity outside the house, education and money. Also it would mean she would be able to use the methods of childcare she's learnt at home as well as work.

Noel was going on about how wonderful it was the older kids still wanted to go on holiday with them but they didn't seem that keen to me. Having to be dragged out of bed with 10 minutes to go. I'm not a morning person but if I was going on holiday I would be up.

And yes the violence between the kids that never gets addressed is appalling. I have a son with autism and he would never cope in a house like that.

Having to be dragged out of bed with 10 minutes to go.

I was a bit shocked at that. Not one of them would have had time to wash.

I looked on their instagram page earlier and liked a comment someone had written. That was it and I have been blocked!

I watched the christmas eve video on YouTube and it was so sad. Sue with a sing song voice and clearly no interest in the slightly older children.

Wonder if the kids get a bedtime story?

I also wonder if one of the younger/middle ones got out/ran away how long it would take to notice they were gone? ☹️

A PP mentioned the Duggars. The focus of the show turned towards the older daughters because of the cancellation of their previous show after it emerged their oldest son had molested 4 of his sisters & a family friend. It emerged that they knew about it but didn’t act on it as they didn’t think it a big deal & in their narrow, home schooling, fundamental Christian Community and, according to them, sexual abuse happens a lot & they deal with it at their home churches with lots of praying etc😱
The Duggars are a whole other rabbit hole to disappear down, along with a few other American “mega families”. They all present this idyllic Walton type of existence, but the reality is usually completely different. There’s always a controlling adult, the children are actively discouraged from having any individuality, their lives are really insular, gender roles are really encouraged, the girls parent the younger children & the children really just seem a number instead of a person.
I spend a bit too much time looking into this .

Sue spends a lot of time on the net moderating comments. I remember years ago when her facebook was public she used to say she spent whole mornings blocking people and deleting comments.

I don't think she would have any interest in being a nursery nurse. She loves being pregnant, giving birth and having a newborn to buy a pram for. She's not interested in other people's kids.

There aren’t as many very large families asi thought according to this.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-much-families-10-more-12562806

But then this is only counting children getting child benefit so not over 16/18 year olds.

30 families with 12+ under school leaving age is a lot very similar to the Radfords.

Chloe is like Jana Duggar. The household would collapse completely without them. The older Radfords will have no life of their own until the younger ones are more self sufficent.

I think Sue and Noel need the kids, otherwise it would be just them and I dont think they know how to be a couple at all.

don't think she would have any interest in being a nursery nurse. She loves being pregnant, giving birth and having a newborn to buy a pram for. She's not interested in other people's kids

Or indeed her own kids.

and that Noel would go ballistic.

They'd be married and somehow he'd end up living with the family?