Care - what do you think?

[LanaorAna2]

Can't take my eyes off the horror and how good Alison Steadman is. So authentic.

The local authority funded residents were the VIPs because the care home needed the LA to use the home and fund most places. Privately funded residents, paid for by the sales of their homes, don't have the same status

You're area must be an anomaly because it is well documented that the reverse is true. Private funders prop up the LA placements. I know first hand that care homes will ditch a LA resident at the first available opportunity if a self funder comes along.

Your your YOUR.

Agrhhhhh.

I hope Jimmy McGovern reads this. The programme was so misleading and implies that as long as you have a mouthy daughter the right kind of gracious care home will be found and funded by the local authority. A lot of LA's have a cap on the funding provided so the most expensive homes will not be considered. It makes us ordinary people who do our best to find the best care possible look like we have done it all wrong and not tried hard enough. SEETHE.

this drama really should have gone out on Carers Rights Day. or tomorrow night when Cliff Richard is on ITV Its gone out against the Im A Celeb final which has got more attention.

i have seen posts from carers on here in the past who have had relatives discharged at 3am.

Self-funders aren't always going to be the golden ticket.

Yes, houses are worth much more in terms of paying the care home fees, so for now it's a profit bonanza, but as the residents stay alive ever longer every care home will find they have people with intensive health care needs and severe dementia who've run out of money.

Until comparatively recently, about half the patients died within a year of entering residential care. Now stays of 15 years are 'not uncommon'. You'd have to sell a street to fund that.

People are asked to move, too, when they've stayed so long the money runs out - and the move is what finally kills them.

My advice is spend as little as possible from the off, so in the event that your beloved lives longer than the doctor says (they will) you don't face the heartbreaking prospect of moving them and watching them die three weeks later.

I thought the miraculous ending made the whole thing a cop-out.

Me too. Should have cut to 'and five years later' when Sheridan Smith is - -

• still scrubbing shit off the rug every 10 minutes and is heavily medicated for mental illness

• the children haven't done that well at school thanks to Granny lighting the stove and everything else at 3am and will bolt the moment they hit 18

• the boyfriend has fled

• the GP informs Sheridan with a beaming smile that Granny has the blood pressure of a 30 year old and is now physically fitter than her daughter.

what happens as more and more ppl rent because they cant afford to buy? There wont be a house to sell to fund it then.

Social care is being propped up by an insecure housing market.

what happens as more and more ppl rent because they cant afford to buy? There wont be a house to sell to fund it then

I wouldn't worry about it, it will collapse entirely well before then.

When was this shown please so can watch on catch up

JustDanceAddict, sadly patients do escape from care homes. My nan has dementia and is in a lovely caring care home but they are so understaffed and overworked and in my Nan's case, despite having dementia, she is manipulative and a master of distraction.

Look on BBC iplayer

It was on bbc1 at 9pm

We thought that Alison Steadman's acting was brilliant

A difficult programme to watch, knowing that people up and down the country in the Uk and also in Ireland are going through what 'Jenny' and 'Claire' went through.
Brilliant acting by Alison Steadman and Sheridan Smith and Sinead Keenan.
The reminder too in the programme of other needs - Mental Health and IVF- needing money from a limited health budget.

Totally agree with the comments re continuing care. My FIL gets it but it was the leverage to get him out of hospital where it costs £500 per day. He is reviewed every 6 months but as he’s getting worse I can’t think he’ll be refused it. No house sale can take place as despite my saying power of attorney had to be in place, it wasn’t done by MIL.
Agree that home care should’ve been explored, and that £700 pw for a care home is ridiculously cheap and it all happened so quickly.

It didn't cover the fact that most care homes don't have spaces readily available.

Thought aside from the topical aspect that the whole thing was quite slow and the romance bit with the builder seemed like a bit of an add on. Also agree that the end was rushed and unrealistic.

well our experience was very different. My late father was offered a care home immediately on transfer from hospital; he had dementia and was admitted after a fall, but also nursing needs due to other health issues and it was all going to be paid by the NHS. We looked at one home but he died 2 days later.

The NHS won't reveal how much is spent on the over 75s, but they do admit it's over 90 per cent of the total NHS budget.

Good news if you're an accountant with 3 kids and a mortgage who's been hit with major depression and there's 0 treatment.

Thing is, there's no solution bar reducing waste in the NHS, which costs as much as a country full of dementia patients, banning health tourism and putting up tax.

There is a confusion between the continuing health care funding, which comes from the NHS, and LA contributions to care - they are entirely distinct; and whether you get the former (not means-tested in any way but based on medical need, and pays everything with no top-up) or the latter (based on mean-testing) is a complete lottery.

The stark truth is that the vast majority of people requiring care do in fact qualify for continuing care funding but do not get it because they have not been accurately assessed, and they (or their relatives) do not know it exists.

If everyone who qualifies got it the NHS would fold.

Then they should either abandon continuing care or make it completely transparent and not discretionary.
It is a lottery.
I think the nurses and care workers who watched last night, probably felt very deflated by the programme and it's happy ever after storyline with the plucky Northern woman fighting for her mother.
I completely agree with the more likely version suggested by LanaorAna2. The programme was completely unrealistic at the end and will have made many ordinary carers feel that perhaps they did not fight hard enough for their elderly parents.
Shame on Jimmy McGovern.

You can't on the one hand say it's a lottery, but on the other say it's to do with inaccurate assessment. Unless you mean the lottery is in who assesses.

NHS funded care is not usually available for people with 'just' dementia because currently it is not classed as a health/ medical' condition.

I am not saying this is right, but that's how things are currently.

My dad had other conditions- co-morbidity- which meant her required nursing care, not only personal care.

You can receive personal care- up to 4 x a day- at home, which is provided by the LA and often at a reduced cost depending on your assets. My late MIL qualified for personal care for decades at a reduced rate.

It is a lottery precisely because:

• some people do not know it exists - that is generally down to chance.
• assessments are done wrongly.

So - it all depends what info you might have, where you live, how well-trained the assessors are (or indeed whether they have deceived any training at all).

The decision is not based on diagnosis, but on specified categories of need. So people with dementia do usually qualify, firstly because one of the categories is about cognitive/behavioural aspects and also because dementia seldom comes without associated physical deficits.

I didn't feel able to watch it last night. I'm living the unrelenting nightmare of a parent with a dual diagnosis. There will be no support or happy ending.

The real crux of the matter is that people simply do not know what they qualify for (from both NHS and LA) so the easy way out of leaving people in ignorance is usually the one taken. The local NHS trusts know that if they had to pay for everyone who qualified their budget would sink without trace; and the LA's are starved of funds so cannot fulfil their statutory duties and rely on people being ignorant of their rights.

I worked for an LA who broke the law every week by having a panel deciding who should and should not get help - when in fact anyone who had an assessed need had a right to care.

Windgate - google Care to be Different - this may help you.

There was no panel for my father- it was simply decided by the doctors that he was able to receive full funding in a nursing home. As i said, we visited one with a vacancy but he died before he could be moved.

There is a huge variation in dementia; some cases are very mild, others are more complex where the person has physical symptoms too - their movement is affected.

Yes, Care to be Different helps families work through this (you're not the founder are you?)