IACGMOOH PART 2

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I don't get the judging of Nick. He's presenting as a decent guy but it doesn't stop people from saying that's not what he's like. I remember Scarlet saying that you can only be yourself in there because it's impossible to keep up a front.

I remember Scarlet saying that you can only be yourself in there because it's impossible to keep up a front.

I have no idea whether Nick is putting on a front; at all; but I don't think Scarlet was right with this. There's a fair amount of people who can put on convincing displays for much longer than five weeks; especially when realistically they're only "watched" for half an hour a day.... I don't think everyone could do it; but I also think it's naive of Scarlet to think that nobody could.

I'm liking Harry best. I think Noel will be a loss. When is the next eviction?

Anne is not in the least bit entertaining or interesting. However, it is interesting to see how the others - and us, the viewers - are reacting to her. I find Fleur's attitude very patronising but maybe it's helpful to Anne? I don't know.

I find it irritating that Anne doesn't seem to try very hard, apparently doesn't do tasks etc. But - and only through comments on here - I am beginning to understand the processing issues. Has her inclusion raised awareness of autism? Yes, undoubtedly. But I don't think it's helped me understand how to deal with or help or not patronise those who are autistic.

Everyone is falling over themselves to be kind and accommodating but they seem to be (metaphorically) just patting her on the head and saying there, there, never mind, it's OK, we'll deal with it. Is that really the right approach?

apple if you think I’m a troll report me.

I’ve been on MN for years.

I just happen to disagree with a person making a decision to go into an environment anyone would struggle with then opting out of most tasks but still getting paid for it.

Autism shouldn’t come into it - she’s chosen to do this. The show has been on for nearly 20 years - she knows what involved.

Just realised that first statement was rude and inaccurate. Didn't mean it to come out so harshly!

Personally I think giving more time and space to process would enable Anne to do far more tasks. Last night she walked up, saw the booths with the exercise bikes, took a guess (correctly) that there would be big drops and gut reaction was nope I can't do it.

I've done that a billion times myself. But after, when I've had time to think it through, I find coping strategies that mean I can do stuff that on initial presentation seems impossible.

I can't see why a member of the production team couldn't pull her aside immediately before everyone goes to tasks and explain the whole thing to her. Not in front of the others so it's 'spoiled' for them, then she could join the others at the task. Processing time which could very easily help her to do more.

I don’t think ‘you’re a troll’ and I’m sorry I made it seem like that.

I do think you’re ‘trolling’ in the sense that you’re being deliberately obtuse.

I agree about the processing time for Anne. You could see that really clearly in the difference between the two solo bushtucker trials she’s done. She did much much better on the second because she’d been through the experience before. She also does better when the team element is blindingly obvious.

When things are more obscure or in fact disingenuous she fails-

So ‘Anne do this impossible for you to win challenge for no reward’
‘Nope’
Makes her look bad bad because she hasn’t realised it’s really ‘do this trial to show you’re a good sport and enjoying providing entertainment to the masses’

But that would be unfair in the rest of the contestants - the tasks are deliberately sprung on people.

apple I’m really not being obtuse.

She is being paid to go through the same ‘hell’ as everyone else.

It’s not a ‘nice’ experience - it’s not designed to be.

She cannot expect special treatment and if she needs it she shouldn’t be on the show.

Would it? Or would it be a reasonable adjustment?

It is after all an entertainment show not the olympics.

This does bring up I think the point of what I'm a celebrity is doesnt it. How much of a part do the trials play?

And in that I think there is a difference between what we perceive the part the trials play because of how much it is weighted when we watch it (and vote for it) and how much of a part they play to the people in the camp - for whom even the person doing it takes what no more than an hour and a half out of 24.

Its synposis has it as is a British survival reality television game show, first aired on 25 August 2002, in which celebrities live in jungle conditions with few creature comforts. In this Anne is doing exactly that. Take James/Sair/Malique the number of trials she has done is less than them

No one else quit because they all cared about immunity and saw themselves as having a chance of winning

As an aside why are there less dingo dollar challenges have seen very few

When ‘reasonable adjustment’ goes against the basics the show is founded on it become unreasonable.

If you make it all nice, with a comfy bed, no bugs, lots of food and no challenges they can’t prepare for it rather misses the point.

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I have no idea whether Nick is putting on a front; at all; but I don't think Scarlet was right with this. There's a fair amount of people who can put on convincing displays for much longer than five weeks; especially when realistically they're only "watched" for half an hour a day.... I don't think everyone could do it; but I also think it's naive of Scarlet to think that nobody could.

As Scarlet has been in there, I'm more inclined to believe her than you. I personally think Nick is coming across as a decent guy and I can't see anything to make me think otherwise.

But surely that argument can be applied to all of them this year - it certainly seems a lot less harsh - they all got a glass of wine/beer on their last night together this time, letters from home have been given, luxury items.

Where is the spending part of the night in bug ridden carriages. Even the immunity games was just downing drinks - not in the scheme of trials the hardest at all.

Whether they have made it too comfortable for everyone this time is I think a valid point.

Agreed - it is very ‘comfortable’ compared to previous years and Anne is still not participating to the extent she should.

I think the way Nick speaks on TV winds people up - he just comes across as a bit of a tosser.

I was thinking I’d dislike him but actually he’s coming across as a good guy.

He’s certainly entering into the spirit of it.

It is absolutely a reasonable adjustment. Anne isn't starting from the same point as the others, they have the ability to process what is in fron of them far more quickly. Adding processing time brings her to the same starting point.

It's not all trials. There are 22.5 hours the viewers don't see and the way others in camp talk about Anne she's earned their affection somehow. If she made zero contribution they wouldn't behave that way, you'd see frustration - which I've seen some camp mates express about Noel and Rita and Emily (who I really don't like) freely ranting.

bearbehind totally agree with everything you say.
I worry more about James and his eating disorder, he takes part 100% in all his trials and yet still ends up with rice n beans, and seems to be wasting away.

But perhaps that is as much to do with how she sees being a celebrity. For a lot of them this is a chance to put themselves in the limelight again for careers that have stalled or being one note (soapstar etc). So they are willing to do anything to give themselves extra time onscreen/gain immunity for more screen time. Anne does not want to do any of that - in fact I suspect if she doesnt get voted out soon she may think about leaving

There's something I fundamentally distrust about Nick. I doubt his sincerity.

Anne isn't starting from the same point as the others, they have the ability to process what is in fron of them far more quickly. Adding processing time brings her to the same starting point.

That totally misses the point of this show.

If she can’t compete on an even playing field she shouldn’t be in it.

I get she needs more time to process stuff but that just means she shouldn’t have signed up for this.

It doesn't miss the point at all.

bear the reasonable adjustment we are talking about it is ‘give her time to prepare’ not ‘let her go home for a kip in between days’.

Just out of interest are there any reasonable adjustments for disability that you would be prepared to accept?

I mean how about in the holding water buckets one? If someone only had one arm would holding one bucket have been ok? Or if they couldn’t hold two should they stay at home?

Bear interestingly what do you think the point of the show is?

I see it as a way of pushing yourself beyond what you would normally do whilst in a jungle environment and eating food.

Anne has certainly done that far better than others who have gone on (Natalie Appleton/Helen Flanagan/Lady Colin Campbell)

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