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K-Drama recommendations

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boatyardblues · 16/08/2018 06:42

A K-drama thread was suggested on the Netflix subtitled gems thread so we can discuss in more depth without swamping the other thread. There are a lot of Korean films & boxsets on Netflix and I’m discovering the quality is variable, so I thought this would be a goid place to swap recommendations (and ‘avoids’). So far, I have hugely enjoyed:

  • Something in the Rain
  • Mr Sunshine (new episodes still dropping weekly)
  • Live

Would also love to hear how closely these dramas represent real life in Korea from anyone who has lived there. Its fascinating learning about another culture.

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SummerRayne17 · 13/10/2018 06:31

Anyone else really want to visit South Korea after watching these k-dramas? I do! I didn't realise that they had such lovely beach resorts (I watched the recent tv programme on N Korea and googled SK Hols) I'm a tad obsessed with SK now and wonder what the RL people are like.? They seem very respectful. Some strange food combinations but i'm sure if you actually tried it, it tastes good! Lol

I had never really noticed Asian men before but some of the actors are very handsome tbh! 🙈

boatyardblues · 13/10/2018 07:02

Yes to everything you said Summer. I definitely want to visit S Korea. And yes to the men, although I find the “skinny 7/8 leg trouser suits teamed with loafers” aesthetic baffling. Black in head to toe sharp black tailored suit OTOH - yes please!

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bettys · 13/10/2018 10:08

Yes me too!! I have also started googling holidays in SKorea and am working on persuading DH. Am fascinated by Seoul and also the coastal areas.

Also agree Black in his suit v dishy. I'm getting used to the no socks look in the men and v much like the skinny trousers on some of them eg Lee Jung-Sok. I worry I am occasionally veering into Kathy Burke "Young Man! Oooh Young Man !" territory.

I even stayed up to watch BTS on Graham Norton last night. Would probably be horribly disappointed that Seoul is not populated by such gorgeous creatures.

Seadays · 13/10/2018 10:45

If you like coastal areas I recommend jeju island it is beyond beautiful, pic attached!
Seoul like London or Paris really I suppose! Tends to be quite fashionable, so you will seen teens in fashion that wouldn't look out of place in a kpop band, but BTS have had plastic surgery (although again plastic surgery is not exactly uncommon in the cities) and like pretty mhch all kpop idols insane and bizarre diets (I'd argue dangerous) crazy work out regimes so they're definitely not the norm iyswim.

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bettys · 13/10/2018 18:43

Oooh any more top tips for places to visit Seadays? I might start a list. Do you know SK well?

MoonMaybe recommended Legend of the Blue Sea and that has some lovely coastal locations

seadays · 13/10/2018 18:56

I lived there when I was small child (so I don't remember much from then!) but I still have some family that live there now, so I visit occasionally! Busan, which is a costal city at the very South is really nice to visit, beautiful views and lots of lovely traditional fish dishes and local markets selling fresh fish!

bettys · 13/10/2018 22:51

Oooh Mr Sunshine is in Red 2 and looks really quite hot!

boatyardblues · 13/10/2018 22:55

Trash gets sent to work in Busan in Reply 1994. I checked in my atlas earlier in the week and it’s pretty much as far south as you can go. Seoul is further north (and closer to the NK border) than I’d realised, which explains all the snow and mighty fine knitwear on the telly.

I am back from a delicious Korean meal: spicy kimchee, kimchee pancake thingy, spicy rice cakes (like chewy glue sticks) in chilli sauce, Korean BBQ cooked at the table and lovely fried rice. DH had rice noodles with beef. Soju is perfect with a big dinner, as predicted - enough alcohol without the bulk & no distracting flavour. 👌 This place did not have extractor fans, though, so my hair now smells of cooked meat.

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bettys · 13/10/2018 22:57

seadays I saw a film called Mood of the Day with Yoo Yeon-Seok (Dong-Mae) that was filmed in Busan and it looked like a good place to visit (and no zombies Grin)

boatyardblues · 13/10/2018 22:58

Just time for an episode of Man to Man, which is shiny-shiny but very well done and entertaining. (I miss the dramatic heft and stand-out performances of Live.)

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bettys · 13/10/2018 23:06

Mmm having watched Let's Eat I can just picture your meal boatyardblues it sounds delicious!

Might give Man to Man another go then.

seadays · 13/10/2018 23:09

Busan is really nice, it doesn't feel as city like, even though it clearly is. I think its the sea air or something, makes it feel nicer and no zombies is always a positive!

I have no life, so I make my own kimchi Grin

boatyardblues · 13/10/2018 23:18

Care to share a recipe, Seadays? Feels like something I could get into.

Dinner was delicious, Betty. Ambience was non-existent, so I doubt we’ll return. Sad

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bettys · 13/10/2018 23:30

Yes please share a recipe, I spotted Chinese cabbage in the Korean supermarket so provides a perfect reason to go back (and buy peach soju)

Shame about the ambience, good news about soju plus food. DH wasn't keen so I will have to finish it myself Wink

seadays · 13/10/2018 23:58

So this is probably going to be really unhelpful as I don't measure anything, but if you taste as you go along you can adjust! (I also make it vegetarian because dh has a fish allergy)
For the most famous napa cabbage one
First split the napa cabbage in two and put them all in a brine of (ideally solar sea salt) salt and cold water at least overnight, then the next day wash the brine off them.
To replace the fermented fish, I use a vegetable stock made of dried mushroom, radish, pumpkin, pear, daechu, chillis, kelp, garlic, ginger and soup soy sauce (make the day before when your brining the cabbage and strain it all and cool)
If you have no problem with fish, instead use salted shrimp or similar, much better.
Chop the giant white radishes you can get in asian stores into match sticks along with green onion.
Puree onion, garlic, ginger, mix in with the radish, small amount of rice (or rice flour mixed with water) the stock (or your fish and kelp stock), add gochugaru until its really red, have a taste see if it needs more salt or spice
Mix everything together, then start adding it to the napa cabbage (or whatever main ingredient you are using) get right into every leaf, then use the outside leaf to kind of fold around the rest of it and put into containers (I would really recommend getting some kimchi containers as they have filters to stop your whole fridge stinking!) leave out for at least two days, when you press down on the cabbage and you get bubbles, you can put it in the fridge, good for pretty much ages and ages!

....I feel I may of missed some ingredient out, but every person does it different, there really is no wrong way, just adapt to your taste, I use that same recipe for radish and green onion kimchi too and for white kimchi I follow pretty much the recipe they use on mr house husband, but I use persimmons for the sweetness rather then clementines and include peppers and pinenuts!

They do an episode on kimchi on mr house husband and its a good starting point if your unsure (dont be put off by the enormous portions!

Pics are of napa cabbage kimchi, radish kimchi and white kimchi

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boatyardblues · 14/10/2018 00:20

Kimchee sounds surprisingly complicated. Will do further research.

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seadays · 14/10/2018 00:26

I feel my write up didn't help it makes it seem more complicated perhaps, it takes me about a day to make it all, but I make quite a lot, normally at least one radish box and 2-3 boxes of napa. But it's fairly hard to go wrong, you just need a tasty element: onion, garlic, ginger etc some kind of stock, be that fish or veggie, spicy element: the gochugaru and a starch for fermentation: rice, rice flour or even potato. Everything else you can experiment with really! It takes a while but in terms of messing up, that's kind of hard to do!

boatyardblues · 14/10/2018 10:12

I’m really excited that someone with real life Korean connections has joined the thread, Seadays. There are so many things I wonder about when watching kdrama, whether they are overegged for dramatic purposes or reflective of wider Korean society. For example:

  • Extremely pushy mothers and their relentless quest to marry off their children to other families with an appropriately high social standing (with the fathers seemingly having no skin in the game);
  • Everyone takes their shoes off by the front door, leading to characters in haute couture shuffling around the indoor scenes in fluffy mules (even the men);
  • Workplaces - extreme deference to older people and managers, which seemingly requires to people to go out socialising or dining with bosses even when they don’t want to;
  • Masses of CCTV everywhere, which is useful for the crime based dramas, but gives a sense of a surveillance culture;
  • Seeming obsession with money and social status, with poor people and those outside norms (eg orphans, families of criminals) really looked down on;
  • Sense of dynastic business empires and ineffectual CEO sons/daughters who got the job through nepotism/succession line;
  • A certain naiveté in male:female relations, even for protagonists in their twenties, with little prior experience, touching or nudity. Is sex before marriage still quite uncommon in Korean society? The romances seem rather chaste to western eyes.

That’s just a few off the top of my head - but truth or trope?

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bettys · 14/10/2018 10:37

Great post boatyardblues, I want to know too!

Plus, do they really have massive tv screens outside that passers by watch?

Do householders have loads of spare slippers for visitors?

With so much product placement for Subway etc is a western diet creeping in and are people getting fatter? Everyone is so enviably slim

bettys · 15/10/2018 07:55

Thanks for the recipe & photos seadays you make it sound very straightforward however I’m a little scared somehow! Also only have a small fridge and it sounds like the kind of the thing that takes a fair bit of time & effort so you should make in large quantities. In the dramas the mums make it it & then take it round to fill up their kids fridges. Definitely a project though.

seadays · 15/10/2018 17:28

Sorry for the late reply, I ended up asking my cousin some of the questions to get a more native korean answer to some of them and I’ve included some links as obviously I’m only one person and I’ve lived in the UK for most of my life, so feel a bit bad answering on behalf of the whole country lol! And obviously varies from family to family, this is just my take on it all!

-Extremely pushy mothers and their relentless quest to marry off their children to other families with an appropriately high social standing (with the fathers seemingly having no skin in the game)
Korean parents for the most part are incredibly pushy, not just with marrying off but in every area of your life, for example in education, cram schools that go late into the night are insanely popular. Mums are seen as more pushy because of the traditional homemaker divide, women are traditionally seen as the homemaker/ones bringing up the kids. It’s hard to describe this… its just vey different, if I did an aibu about my mother, people would be encouraging me to go non-contact! But it’s just different, the constant pushing is just kind of tough love.

In terms of marriage (while this is slowly changing) when you marry your obviously marrying your husband but its kind of so much more, your basically marrying into the family in quite an intense way, for example typically (although this is slowly changing) as a daughter in law, your going to your husbands family for major holidays (and your doing the grunt work). So its seen by parents acceptable to kind of push for their ideal partner!
Duo which is a dating app, has like 100s of questions asking even your parents profession, so it’s kind of just woven through dating not just parents being pushy.

Everyone takes their shoes off by the front door, leading to characters in haute couture shuffling around the indoor scenes in fluffy mules (even the men)

100% true, in Korea and for pretty much all Koreans that have moved abroad, I never wear shoes inside my own home. I'm pretty much as British as I can be, lived here the majority of life, went to school here, but that's one thing I can never get on board with Grin take off your outside shoes! Don’t be traipsing in the outside dirt!! –omg Im turning into my mother-- Traditionally you would eat and sleep on the floor, and people still do, so it’s kind of from that, at my gran’s house, we eat off a low table and sit on the floor and she sleeps on the floor which is traditionally heated, called an ondol. you wouldn’t wear shoes in bed or on your kitchen seat so it comes from that, this culture is common throughout Asia, Japan also does this. People tend to have some spare slippers in their entrance way you can use. My mother carries around slippers in her handbag, as you do! Grin

A certain naiveté in male:female relations, even for protagonists in their twenties, with little prior experience, touching or nudity. Is sex before marriage still quite uncommon in Korean society? The romances seem rather chaste to western eyes.
So this is kind of a difficult one to explain, the best way to describe it is kdramas to Korea are like Pinterest to the UK, for lots of them, they're supposed to be "amazing" like the ideal, the handsome guy, the cute innocent woman to be protected, the amazing food, the beautiful apartments, the couples acting cutesy rather than kind of raunchy. So that's kind of what people what perceive as the ideal relationship/goal/way of acting, but realistically people vary everywhere and while it might be seen as the best, young people sleep with others before they get married etc, they just won't be telling their parents about it! Korea is more conservative than the UK in terms of dating, lots of people live with their parents for a lot longer then we do, which prevents kind of what we would class as the normal dating experience and it's not seen as the done thing really to live with your boyfriend before marrying by the older generation, but on the whole people vary so it's not an everyone does X situation. When I brought this up with my cousin, she commented on its kind of messed up that there is this kind of thing of push on women to be innocent, when men are doing fucked up things like spy cameras in toilet doors, which is a big problem, english link below.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/6503756/south-korea-spy-hole-craze-womens-toilets/ < uk link to that

With so much product placement for Subway etc is a western diet creeping in and are people getting fatter? Everyone is so enviably slim

So you get fat people, but its less then in the West, in my grandmas village, no one is fat, you walk everywhere, you eat traditional foods, you home cook everything (and grow most of the food!). The fatter people you will find in the cities, fast food is a huge part of that, sizes are generally a lot smaller then in the uk, but in places like Busan and Seoul, you can order fastfood to your door 24/7, also desk jobs

There is a pretty unhealthy culture of fat shaming, which kind of leads into my next point. One thing I think is a serious problem, is on the other side of the scales, is the unhealthy diets (mostly women) follow to lose weight, mostly fueled by actresses and pop stars doing them, I’ve lost track of the number of weird diets my cousin (who is the size of a stick) and her friends have done, memorable ones were eating only sweet potatoes and another where it was some weird combo of I think only carrots and eggs, all day. Bizarre and such an unhealthy relationship with food.

Despite the boom in fast food and the unhealthy diets targeted at women, I think by and large, Korea has a healthier approach to food then perhaps we have here, at least in more rural places then the cities.
Some good examples of this are a program about food in the army: which is quite different from food I’ve seen about the British army I’ve seen on tv.
And some examples of school lunches on youtube:
Links about the obesity
Kids weaker and bigger then their parents koreabizwire.com/young-south-koreans-bigger-weaker-than-their-parents/111241

If you have Netflix I think it's on, Kim's convenience is a pretty much accurate description of Korean parents when they've moved abroad! Scarily so!
I will answer other questions later! Have to head out now, as I said though, this is just my take on it, from my family perspective!

boatyardblues · 15/10/2018 19:46

Thanks so much seadays. I really appreciate the effort you’ve gone to with your cousin to get ‘local’ input too. I have to say that my recent immersion in kdrama has massively increased my interest in Asian culture. It makes the ‘taken for granted assumptions’ of every day life visible and accessible. I have also started reading translated fiction, currently a book set during the Japanese occupation in the 1920s and partly set in Japan. Westrn culture is full of tge second world war etc, so it’s realky interesting to shift my focus elsewhere for a while.

As a side note, soju did not give me a hangover. Result!

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boatyardblues · 15/10/2018 19:49

Also, what you wrote about faddy diets and the obsession with being thin makes me think the sheer amount of food and eating in kdrama is every bit as much wish fulfilment as the fabulously wealthy CEO boyfriend and the glorious modernist apartments. Grin

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bettys · 16/10/2018 10:08

Thank you for such a detailed reply seadays ! I like the Pinterest analogy for romance, I have been so immersed in kdrama recently that it has shifted my expectations slightly on the screen. When Lee Min-Ho flashed a bit of tongue in a kissing scene in Legend of the Blue Sea I was positively shocked!!

I am also shocked by the spy hole cameras. In real life it may be quite daunting to be female in some cases. I read a news report that said some women in SK are choosing not to date or have children which is sad.

We also don't wear shoes in the house, but that's just 'cos London is so mucky. DH would have a blue fit if I gave him fluffy slippers to wear. I love scenes in dramas where as boatyard blues says, they are dressed incredibly yet even the chaebol snotty mothers are wearing slippers like the poor uncouth girlfriend - it seems very democratic (but probably isn't).

bettys · 16/10/2018 12:15

Ha! just watched first episode of Kim's Convenience it's very funny!

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