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Handmaids Tale, Season 2: SPOILERS / VIEWING AHEAD OF UK SREENING

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Aridane · 03/05/2018 12:09

I'm starting a thread for those of us watching Season 2 and who want to discuss ahead of its screening in the UK.

So far I've watched the first 3 episodes.

God the 1st episode was grim.

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AcrossthePond55 · 15/06/2018 21:36

My 'personal' timeline is:

The Martha/Doctor was still practicing in 2012

Based on what I've read the coup d'etat establishing Gilead was swift and the draconian laws passed quickly afterwards.

It appears from season 1 that Luke and June tried to escape from Gilead soon after the edict that women could no longer work and that certain women were 'sinners' in need of 'redemption'.

Handmaid's 'tenure' with a particular Cmdr is 2 years and Waterford is June's first 'assignment' after whatever time period she spent at the Red Center. She's been at the Waterford's for over a year, perhaps close to 2.

So I'm assuming that Gilead has been in existence around 4-5 years by this point.

It being relatively new would also account for the fact that diplomatic relations with Canada have not yet been established. And that Canada didn't know what was going on in Gilead (as shown by their reaction to the Jezebel letters).

Praisebe · 15/06/2018 21:54

No the first time they had any contact was when Serena took June to his cabin and ordered him to rape her because she knew Fred was the infertile one

QuackPorridgeBacon · 15/06/2018 22:29

Praisebe Yes, obviously that happened. We aren’t talking about that but how they became together, willingly. I’m sure it was June that then went to him after. I don’t really think Nick can be painted as the bad guy really, he was under orders as much as June. I’m not sure what would have happened to him had he refused, would serena have had the power to have him killed?

AcrossthePond55 · 15/06/2018 22:55

Per the Handmaid Wiki (as references the TV Series)

"Serena Joy calls Offred outside to tell her she's asked Nick to try to impregnate Offred. She suspects the Commander is infertile. Serena Joy secretly brings Offred to Nick's apartment, where she waits as they have sex. They finish, and Serena Joy tells Offred to lie down in her room, after saying a prayer to encourage her to become pregnant."

So, I wouldn't say that Nick 'raped' June, per se, unless you called it 'rape under duress' or something. I'd say that neither June nor Nick really had the option to say 'no' as I'm sure SJ would have made it clear to them that there would be 'consequences' if they didn't cooperate.

Later the wiki references June and Nick 'turning to each other' and having other sexual encounters without SJ's 'encouragement'.

Dulra · 15/06/2018 22:57

OMG just watched episode 9. For me it was the best episode yet. Ironic gileads trip to Canada coincided with kim jung uns trip to Singapore. Seeing the cars going through the streets of Canada seriously depressed me with how we have legitimised Kim's rule over North Korea I am sure there were plenty of North Koreans screaming at their telly when they saw him shake hands with trump. Anyway I digress I was pretty surprised with how contained moira and luke were with the commander in town i know they protested but I would have done time to injure them. Was unsure why Canada was accepting of gilead before the letters surely the refugee personal accounts should have been just as effective Confused.

Really felt for nick and so glad he sought out luke and relayed all he had said to June. I think he really loves her but knows her heart is with luke.

Great glimpse into aunt Lydia's past we really need to know more. So scared for june after she has the baby I have fast scrolled ep 10 spoilers I'm still reeling from ep 9 can't take any more just yet Grin.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/06/2018 23:31

Was unsure why Canada was accepting of gilead before the letters surely the refugee personal accounts should have been just as effective

This bothered me too, Dulra, and I consider it a possible plot hole.

Either that or the Canadian Govt is willfully ignoring/suppressing the information for reasons unknown. The US Govt did that in WWII regarding the concentration camps. They knew about what was going on there and did not inform the public nor allow the press to publish articles about it.

BG2015 · 16/06/2018 06:36

Impatient for the next episode now.

DP says I wish my life away. What are we going to watch after it's finished?

eloisesparkle · 16/06/2018 09:55

I think you have to suspend disbelief when Nick can visit June in her room.
Really - nobody notices ?
He takes huge risks..... the letters - surely SJ and Fred will put two and two together.
It was so easy for him to walk into the right bar and meet Luke.
So often June and Nick have hurried conversations and touch each other in corridors. Isn't there CCTV ?

eloisesparkle · 16/06/2018 09:56

It's a great series but so distressing.
The actors are amazing.

BG2015 · 16/06/2018 12:05

eloise I often say things like that and my DP always says....."it's only a TV programme!"

They can do what they want really.

kikashi · 16/06/2018 12:41

I agree Eloise it has always been a bit strange that no one clocks Nick - he knocked on June's door late at night last episode. Someone would be awake and hear that or the creaky floorboards. Also, the commander could come in at anytime. Will Nick be "lower" in the regime now that the very high up guy who recruited him and who he was spying for is dead? He does seem to be more than just a "driver"

SophieCatScribbles · 16/06/2018 15:07

They had feelings for each other before Serena initiated the sex between them. As June walked into Nick's loft behind Serena, her inner voice wondered why this was the first time she felt like she was cheating on Luke. So she actually 'fancied Nick' before the sex (remember the 'ten signs he likes you' inner voice time in the kitchen?).

During the first sex, although it was weird, watched by Serena, etc, they both 'felt' something - the camera focuses on their eyes closing and hands clutching at each other. It was definitely June who went back to Nick the second time, and she started taking his shirt off and initiated the passionate sex that they had that second time. She orgasmed twice, her inner voice said with satisfaction.

Their passion for each other is portrayed as very real. They love each other. June's hesitation to say it back stems from her knowledge that she is still married to Luke and they have Hannah. I think her passion or sexual feelings for Luke are no longer there - all that has transferred to the man who's kept her going in the Gilead hell - Nick. She still loves Luke, but in a way, he betrayed her too when Gilead was rising and taking her rights and Luke wasn't that fussed - and she doesn't feel the same about him now. She feels the love of responsibility, loyalty and old affection. It's just been too long and she's been through too much that he doesn't know about. Nick knows, and understands - that's a powerful bind between them. She couldn't forget all that and go back to Luke as if nothing had changed.

Max Minghella who plays Nick talks about how his character can't say much, and he has to stay discreet, because if he's found out by the Waterfords they can have him killed. So he has to play it very shut-off and deadpan, and do a lot with his eyes. That's Nick's situation. He's an eye, and can bend certain rules, but he's not totally safe - so he can't let them know. He risks a lot by showing any care or affection for June, and knows it. Also, he and the Martha found the previous handmaid hanged in her room, so he's trying to protect her because of that.

That's why Nick should stay in the rest of whatever they do with June and her story through The Handmaid's Tale. She's been through so much trauma, and losing Nick would not be something she could deal with at all. He's her anchor through the whole storm.

At least I bloody hope so, lol. I think they'd be fools to ditch Nick. Their story is the only uplifting thing about it - without their relationship, however rough it is, the whole show is just a grim nightmare. We need some hope!

Itscurtainsforyou · 16/06/2018 15:52

One thing that might have been covered - when June was on the aircraft trying to escape Nick was with her. Do we know how he managed to avoid the consequences of helping a Handmaid escape?

AcrossthePond55 · 16/06/2018 16:11

That wasn't Nick curtains. He certainly had a similarity of appearance to him, but it wasn't him.

kikashi · 16/06/2018 17:35

Yes - it confused me too when I watched that episode. I thought Nick had managed to meet her to get the flight but it was a driver for a different commander but he did look like Nick.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/06/2018 18:12

Now it's got me wondering. The driver on the escape, Nick, and Isaac are all similar in appearance. I wonder if all the 'guardians' are of a similar type. Dark hair, darker complected. I don't think I've seen a blond, fair skinned guardian (but I haven't really looked). If so, I wonder if the writers have chosen this to be an 'opposite representation' of the Nazi 'Aryan' archetype (blond, nordic) to draw attention to Gilead's Nazi similarities.

Itscurtainsforyou · 16/06/2018 18:31

Ah I had been convinced it was Nick. That would make more sense.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 16/06/2018 18:42

SophieCatScribbles That’s it exactly. I thought it was June that went to nick.

stripe8 · 16/06/2018 20:21

Next week looks shocking Shock

SerenaWaterford · 17/06/2018 17:37

It's not me in the pool Wink

SophieCatScribbles · 17/06/2018 17:51

Serena, how could you help Fred do that to June after your pretence of caring?! Shame on you!

Eden2003 · 17/06/2018 18:12

It’s not me in the pool.

I have family are coming to visit me shortly.

I wish I wasn’t married to a man committing adultery with the Handmaid (though funnily enough I used to think Nick was a gender traitor)

Eden2003 · 17/06/2018 18:13

(Isaac appreciates my cooking much more than Nick. He is truly a son of Gilead)

AuntLydia666 · 17/06/2018 18:15

Not me in the pool either

AuntLydia666 · 17/06/2018 18:16

(damn Offred for her false alarm Brixton Hicks contractions)

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