Celeb Big Brother Thread 4 - However sexy, you can never trust a dalek, give them an inch and they'll walk all over you

[AnneEyhtMeyer]

It's as though they don't think you are a REAL ZEBRA!!!!

Ann W in her younger days

I know who will be voting to save Johnny - the entire Trans movement, that's who! India must be peak-transing thousands. How many people watching CBB really believe she is a real woman?

Can anyone tell me who India is sharing a bed with? I think it might be Malika, which might explain her not nominating India.

Ooft poor Malika if that’s right!

@misscockerspaniel - I saw that too.. ummm no!

I only started properly watching 2 or 3 nights ago - what exactly happened with India and Ann's bed? It came up a lot in nominations?

misspetite in what way was Ann bigoted re Meghan Markle - genuinely don't understand what you mean...?

Unless India has one of these plus all of those marvelous vaginal muscles and brain connection and all the other stuff that I don't even know about then India has not and will not ever have a female orgasm. The whole thing sounded like a teenager trying to convince their pals they'd had sex and it was Amazing. It's sad because I think it is very likely India is experiencing the exact opposite.

BB had put Amanda and Ann's towels on the single bed to signify they were for them to use. India got to the bed with Ann's towel on it first, and claimed it. Ann was a bit put out but said she would sleep in the other bedroom till the men arrived. India did lots of hugging (and a high five) and said Ann should just ask if she wanted the bed back. Ann did exactly that four days later, and India pitched a shit fit, said it was her bed, and flounced off to BB, who told her that the bed had been meant for Ann. It was all very uncomfortable for everyone.

BusyBoys, I have to say that my son exhibited quite a hefty dose of maleness when I asked him how a transwoman was identical to a woman if they couldn't get pregnant, have a period, need an abortion, experience discrimination growing up, have PMT or the menopause, and he said 'well, most of that's just social stuff'.

What the chuff umbrella ????

Thanks you - I really wish I had watched from the beginning this year!

Afternoon PWBs!

I was annoyed at Malika's nominations, but not because of who she nominated. I was annoyed that she messed around pretending not to understand she needed two noms, even when Maggie said "You've got two in there, yes?". She was deliberately trying to fudge it, probably so she could see how everyone else was voting and not draw the ire of anyone by herself.

Ask your son to go to the shop and get you some tampons, youcan. I'm sure he won't mind.

What was your answer to the silly little boy?

tweet about India's bigotry

I laughed and asked him to repeat himself. This is the line he's been taught though - it won't allow any arguments, as that makes you a TERF. And obviously, as a boy, he can dismiss footling issues like reproductive rights.

He did look taken aback when I asked him why we weren't discussing why transmen are real men. And when I asked whether a transwoman would ever get breast or ovarian cancer, he said that men could
get breast cancer, which is obviously true but very rare, and that testicular cancer was as common. Not a biological issue for me as a woman, I pointed out and he saw my point.

And I use a mooncup, PERF. Asking him to sterilise it would be going a bit far I think!

I didn't realise it was an actual thread which is very enlightening, apparently the trans community is well aware of how awful she is and that's who she trolls on twitter apparently, trans women.

Ann's article makes me very cross. She thinks women have achieved equality and the 'discrimination' we face today isn't real discrimination like when she grew up, if anything it's the poor menz who need help.

Every fecking time I need to see a doctor the earliest appointment I can get is 2/3 weeks away and when I do get in my problem is minimised and I'm told to take paracetamol/see how it goes and come back in a couple of weeks if it's not better. Every fucking time.

DH calls up, sometimes with the exact same symptoms I have, and they see him the same day, take him seriously and he comes away with the correct treatment or medicine first time. Every bloody time.

But that's just me being a special snowflake.

PS and I do expect men to pay for my meal if out to dinner. Because I've never met a man who doesn't earn more than me, even when we've been doing the same job.

A casual glance at Active threads reveals more than one about policies that mean women are no longer being referred for sterilisation by many CCGs, and that men aren't referred for vasectomies unless their partner has tried all other methods of contraception. A woman refused a sterilisation terrified she is pregnant after a possible contraception fail. A heartbreaking thread about a women worried about losing her job because of severe morning sickness because the HR in her company don't know the law. A woman who was mysteriously made redundant just hours after telling her employers she was pregnant and who thinks she won't be able to find another job in her specialised field, and is now financially dependent on her partner.

Everything's just great for women now.

Why does Ann not recognise these things?

Well, she's never had sex, so isn't invested in these issues.

And I don't mean that as an insult to celibate people, many of whom may well be empathetic to others, but Ann simply wouldn't consider those things because her views are very tied up with her own experience. See her conversation with Rachel about working mothers.

umbrella yet the NHS is funding cosmetic surgery to people who want to be something they never can be. Just peachy, isn't it?

Well, India did say that she thinks the NHS needs to think carefully about what it funds. Although that specifically excludes gender reassignment surgery as that saves money by making people happier and less likely to kill themselves. Also it's very small procedures. So I'm not sure exactly what should be de-funded.

Anne we're in complete agreement. Malika knows the game.

What's really upsetting me through this whole debate on trans issues was however, voiced by Maliki in her 'be a Zebra' outburst. I respect people's desires and needs to express themselves how they wish and to fancy who they wish, what I despise is that respect not being reciprocated. Ginuwine has the right to be attracted to whoever he wishes without being criticised if his choices don't suit a transperson. Women have the right to hold their position, both personally and in society without being demeaned or disrespected in order to further someone else's agenda.

India's opinions on womanhood strike me as being similar to me trying to convince Mo Farah I know what it's like to be an elite athlete because I put some trainers on and toddled around Regents Park every morning. I find what she says insulting. If she wanted to discuss in the same way as Courtney/Shane then people would be genuinely open and interested to hear her experiences. Saying the operation was nothing and that she's always been a woman, rather than always felt like a woman is just beyond me and there's no doubt that she's still enjoying priviledges because of her profile.