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The secret life of 4 year olds

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crunchtime · 14/11/2017 20:08

Harper. ..not cute and a geezer...just really inappropriate. Anyone else finding his aping of adult behaviours really icky?

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DeloresVanTropp · 21/11/2017 20:56

''Ladies have boobs and men have nipples'' spoken by a 5-year-old Shock

Ontheboardwalk · 21/11/2017 21:00

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purpleme12 · 21/11/2017 23:28

Why the shocked face?

Maria4201 · 24/11/2017 23:48

Just watched Episode 2 of the latest ‘The Secret Life of 4 Year Olds’....Some of the littlies talk as if they were adults. Harper in particular has opinions far too old for his age. When my kids were 4 they knew nothing about what the children do on there? That was only 10 years ago. Does anyone else agree?

madeyemoodysmum · 25/11/2017 07:39

Maria. Have you read this thread?

Maria4201 · 25/11/2017 08:50

madeyemoodymum Thank you. Glad I am not the only one to feel this way

Tinycitrus · 25/11/2017 08:53

They are just little kids for god’s sake.

Leave them alone. Hmm

Maria4201 · 25/11/2017 08:56

TinyCitrus Exactly they are little kids but why are they acting like mini adults?

hazeyjane · 25/11/2017 08:58

''Ladies have boobs and men have nipples'' spoken by a 5-year-old shock

I don't really understand what's so shocking?

Tinycitrus · 25/11/2017 09:02

I thought they were perfectly average children, learning about the world and relationships and emotions and boundaries.

And yes, nipples and boobs and bums and willies are all part of that. Kids are obsessed with that stuff. Toilet humour is a real thing for them Smile

herecomesthsun · 25/11/2017 18:49

My dd's reception class were sent a flyer asking if we wanted to put our kids forward for this show.

I watched some episodes of a previous series. The "children's experts" /psychologist/s were watching a couple of children pretending to be married and seemed very disappointed when they didn't kiss etc. It seemed quite intrusive and I didn't want my child being observed and commented on like that.

madeyemoodysmum · 25/11/2017 20:49

Sorry. Maria. I think you are mistaking me I think they are just being kids and ok they copy adults but they are learning and some of the past comments on this thread. Mostly deleted have been totally out of line.

They are 4 and they are learning.

feelslikearockandahardplace · 25/11/2017 21:08

I cannot bear adults suggesting children have girl/boyfriends. Their friends ffs why does it have to be more, especially at this age.

mercurymaze · 25/11/2017 21:11

has anyone else read Michael Rosen's take on this programme? I agree with him:

Unethical TV programme: Channel 4 'Secret Life of 4,5 and 6 year olds
I watched episode 1 of this series of the 'Secret Life of 4, 5 and 6 Year Olds' on Channel 4 and since seeing it have become increasingly disturbed.
Some context: when our students (most of whom are teachers), doing the MA in Children's Literature at Goldsmiths, conduct research with a class of children they have to fill in a rigorous ethics form, which is intended to ensure that children are not in any way endangered or distressed by the research. The guidelines are in 'Ethical Guidelines for Educational Research' published by the British Educational Research Association.
The programme claimed from its title that it was revealing the 'secret life'. In fact, it was a series of experiments on the children, in which situations were set up, sometimes putting the children in conflict with each other and on one occasion creating a situation in which it was likely that some of the children would be scared.
Needless to say, the contests or competitions were presented to the children as fixed and rule-bound according to the rules set by the adults - a mixture of the people running the nursery and the academics who watched what happened on video, making comments. Remember - the claim being made here is that these contests showed the 'secret life' of these children. In fact, it showed the children responding to fixed rule contests devised by adults in order to show that one or more children would be distressed by losing. In fact, it emerged that the child in question was probably more distressed that he didn't win the prize than actually losing. Educationally speaking, what is a TV programme doing telling children that if you answer some questions right, you win chocolates? Or, worse, if you answer them wrong, you don't get chocolates! In the aftermath of the contest, the child in question cried and seemed to be uncomforted for a while. Then we watched while the experts discussed why and how the child was distressed without any commentary on the fact that the whole situation had been engineered - unethically - by the researchers.
Later in the programme, they set up another experiment which caused the same child distress. They showed that the boy knew a lot about dinosaurs. They asked him if he was scared of dinosaurs. No he wasn't. Then a man dressed as a 'keeper' brought in on a leash, a 6-7 foot tyrannosaurus rex (with someone inside). The boy was clearly scared. This was presented to us as revealing that in some way or another the boy was dishonest about his real state of fear. This again was clearly unethical and at the same time absurd. The more we know about T-Rex the more scared we should be, especially if grown-ups surround us with nonsense of notions that dinosaurs co-existed or still co-exist with humans! So the little boy cowered and - again - was distressed.
What was all this for? What did it prove? Who benefitted from this 'research'? All it did was assert the right of adults to limit the choices of children, set up situations in which it could be predicted that one or more children would be distressed. This was done for our entertainment, showing us...what precisely? That grown-up researchers are clever people who know how to make 4 year olds cry?
Of course there are programmes that can be made about the 'secret life' of young children. All you have to do is set up situations in which young children can discuss things, make things, play with things, plan things. To be fair to the programme, we did see scenes where children played in the home corner a couple of times, but these seemed to be interludes between the real 'knowledge' of the programme in these adult-led experiments, with predictable outcomes of conflict and distress.
What is particularly worrying is that two academics were involved in this, sitting as it were to one side, commenting on and laughing at what the children were doing.
Excuse me while I say something extreme. On many occasions in the history of psychological testing over the last 120 years there have been experiments conducted on children and adults. Some of these have been unethical and at a distance, we can easily see how monstrous they've been, with terrible consequences for the participants. Sometimes we scratch our heads and wonder how could people calling themselves psychologists have done such things? I think the answer to that question lies precisely in the way this programme was set up and carried out: the children were treated as if they were fodder for experiments, with no volition, sanctity of the person, no sense of their potential, no sense that an experiment could open up new possibilities, new educational insights. In fact, the educational value of the dinosaur experiment was precisely the opposite: it was educational rubbish from several perspectives at the same time.
If anyone reading this runs an education or psychology course, could I please recommend using this 'documentary' as a perfect example of how not to run educational or psychological research?

babyboomersrock · 29/11/2017 12:46

I agree with Michael Rosen and you, Mercury. Children should not be used in experiments and it's saddening that people find it entertaining.

I wouldn't enjoy watching adults in a similar situation but at least they'd know what they were letting themselves in for.

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