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The 18-30 Stone Holiday

59 replies

TartWithTheCart35 · 24/10/2017 18:41

Starts tonight at 9pm on itv.

Good for them. I'm a big girl myself and there is nothing more intimidating then sitting on a beach bursting out of my tankini whilst surrounded by super models 😞

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Hermagsjesty · 25/10/2017 13:27

I found it really touching and inspiring. Knowing it’s unhealthy and bad for the NHS and all the rest doesn’t make it any easier to lose weight. In fact, it can make you feel lower and more desperate and more like it’s too hopeless anyway so why bother try. You can endlessly lecture and patronise people into making a positive change. But being kind and supportive and helping people to love themselves no matter thier size might actually give them the strength and confidence they need to change.

thecanaries · 25/10/2017 15:15

No Kimbers I just don't like bitches.

They are a drain on society.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 25/10/2017 15:20

“I have a slow metabolism” - nonsense - excercise speeds up your metabolism.

Thanks doctor

Ill come off the meds then Grin

Blondeshavemorefun · 25/10/2017 18:53

Lovely to see them laughing and splashing about

Gaining confidence

I think this resort will be a success

Be better if they served healthier food but in the end it's a holiday not a diet camp

Wonder what it costs to stay there?

AnyFucker · 25/10/2017 18:57

It looked fabulous, didn't it ?

BigSandyBalls2015 · 25/10/2017 19:00

It absolutely is an eating disorder. My lovely friend joined over eaters anonymous, I had never heard of them.

She always seemed like the large jolly one at social events, I had no idea what she was going through at the time. If she was out for a meal she would be planning her route home to stop at shops for more food, even though she was full. She'd get home, close the curtains and eat until she felt sick.

She's lost 10 stone, done amazingly well with the support of OA and it's basically saved her life.

I thought the people on last nights prog were lovely, good luck to them all. Nothing is as straightforward as it seems.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 25/10/2017 19:04

Very similar to alcohol addiction I'd have thought. Go out for a few drinks with friends, rest of the group are happy to call it a day and head off home. Another one of them working out how much booze is at home .... do they need to buy some to carry on drinking

Goshthatwentwell · 25/10/2017 20:29

I do think kimbers has a point. The "judgement" on smoking, drinking and drugs is what puts people off. Making things socially unexceptable and expensive appears to work well.
I don't think those skinny middle class women have any less issues than anyone else but eating a whole bag of crisps 2Lts of coke or a Gregs ( or whatever) isn't cool.
It's not about not liking the fat person but not liking the behaviours ( eating processed carbs and too largr quantities)

itsbetterthanabox · 25/10/2017 21:17

Goshthatwentwell
No it doesn't put them off. Shaming just simply doesn't work. Lots of people do drink, smoke and do drugs.
I would suggest that possibly within certain groups binge eating still happens but so does purging. Doesn't make it any healthier!

CountessDraculaofGroantham · 25/10/2017 21:23

The judgement on smoking and drinking is different. You don’t have to do those to survive and they’re largely hidden from the public. If you overeat everybody knows about it and feels entitled to an opinion about you. However hard giving up or cutting down on smoking or drinking is, I wonder how many people would manage it if you needed to smoke or drink to survive?

OliviaPopeRules · 25/10/2017 21:24

Lots of lovely fat shaming on here, how delightful you perfect people are must be nice to be so smug.
There is far less shame around drinking, taking drugs and even smoking than there is around being fat.

MyDobbygotgivenasock · 25/10/2017 21:31

Is mumsnet having some kind of half price for dickheads night? The threads I've been on tonight are twat central.

I don't have to justify myself to anyone, I don't have to be a good fatty and pretend that my significant mental health issues are just a lack of willpower because I like cake. Shame is not a motivator and if people truly were concerned about the effects on the NHS and children then they would be seeking the most effective solutions instead of indulging in the chance to berate people for being moral failures.
I am a CSA survivor, I was let down by support services, by school, by doctors and I got fat because I am a 6ft 2 hourglass blue eyed blond and the harassment I received when I was thin (but self medicating with a drug addiction like a good pretty thin girl) was terrifying, it was paralysing and it was deeply predatory for a very vulnerable young woman. I lived in a circle of sharks (I assume this is how any sexually vulnerable person feels whatever they look like, but being born in the stereotypical 'blondes have more fun' slut shape - not my description of course, just what I was called - is my only frame of reference) and I was exploited more than once. Fat makes you invisible in many ways, it removes the most frightening attention, and it was a great deal easier to live with being jeered at because I was fat but otherwise of little interest than it was to live with being told that any random stranger would 'have a go' on me, my consent not necessary or sought.
There was no way I was losing weight, the only protection I had, while I felt so vulnerable. When I got the help I needed things changed. I was never going to lose weight until I felt safe.
Shame serves only to make a certain sort of person feel better about themselves. Compassion works. Kindness works. Respect works. Insulting the intelligence of every fat person as if they are just too stupid to work out that a binge and self loathing is as healthy as some lettuce is just an acceptable way to be a judgemental nasty person, it doesn't work for anyone but the person dishing it out.
Support works.
For morbidly obese people what works is the treatment they need to deal with whatever situation set them up with deeply dysfunctional relationships with food, they don't need reminding to eat a salad, food is a tool and it can be used for health and it can be used for self harm. Being a bit chubby because you've played fast and loose with the wine and takeaways can be shaken off by getting back into good habits and having a word with yourself. Being morbidly obese is self harm (even if you feel it is self protection, fun and complex things human beings) and there is always a reason for that, it really doesn't matter if you think the reason is valid or not, they are deserving of more compassion and respect and have a right to treatment, support, respect and dignity like every single other person.
Nobody seems to be yelling at deadbeat dads in the street because they're deeply concerned about the burden on the taxpayer of their feckless ways and damage to their children. Nobody yells at the serial cheat because he's spreading the clap and someone has to pay to treat it.
Few people make sure they moderate every aspect of their life properly to avoid future health complaints, I've never been reamed out by a tee total vegan who exercises every day actually, but because fat is fair game then we can all prig around dispensing faux concern for the future, my God won't anyone think of the children?
People like that are no better than abortion protesters who think single mothers are scum and don't care about a mother and child in desperate straits because they did the moral and right thing by preventing the terrible abortion.
If people actually cared life would be very different for many.

Gingernaut · 25/10/2017 21:34

I suppose it could be argued that compulsive overeating is harder to get a grip on than any other chemical addiction.

We need food. We have to go and buy it, prepare it and eat it. We can't abstain. We can't just not buy it.

We don't need alcohol or recreational drugs. Hard as it is for the addict, we don't have to go out and buy a little bit of healthy heroin, or a small amount of 'high fibre' cocaine or just a tiny portion of high protein booze.

We are reliant on that which we crave. Even after we acknowledge the addiction and try to sort out our disordered eating, we have to buy more food. And not eat all of it all at once...Sad

Nannacups · 25/10/2017 22:19

No one should be ashamed to have a great time. We are all entitled to a happy life.

Fat shaming is the most acceptable discrimination in the UK right now.

In United Kingdom You can be legally held accountable for and charged with discrimination and or hate crime against.
Age
Gender
Race
Colour
Disability
Religion
Pregnancy
Sexual orientation
Gender reassignment
Marriage, civil partnership

But not your size.

60% of the uk female population is a size 16/18. We have lived in a land of plenty (how lucky are we) for the last 60+ years.

No food shortages or famine or war. Our bodies adjust to our lifestyle. I’m not saying that it’s ok or healthy, what I do want is some kindness and empathy for everyone who is struggling with trying to live a happy life in a world where looks are what we judge every one by.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Can be just superficial and skin deep,

Don’t ignore the Really beautiful people who have much more to give.

currantbunsinthebakersshop · 25/10/2017 22:26

Not to mention the legacy they are creating for their children, who through no fault of their own have picked up their parents bad habits and are to be saddled with a lifetime of obesity and ill-health.

Have a wee think about that some more Kimbers

passmethewineplease · 25/10/2017 22:41

"It isn't healthy"

No shit Sherlock. Who has deemed this healthy? They didn't.

If this makes people feel happier and more able to conquer their issues then good for them. They had lost weight after the holiday.

Fat people deserve to feel a bit of happiness too you know. Hmm

Anyone that couldn't see that it is a lot more than eat less move more is an over simplistic arsehole.

Qvar · 25/10/2017 22:53

ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR MYDOBBY !!!!!

DownbutnotfullyOut · 26/10/2017 01:29

SomeDayMyPrince

obesity can be an eating disorder in the same way as anorexia can be. Disordered eating can be a symptom of underlying poor mental health.

I've never thought about it before to my shame - but your post is insightful and it is striking that although anorexia and obesity are two sides of the same coin, that they are socially "judged" very differently by the masses and the media.

One is a heartbreaking disease that needs public funds invested into treat and social action to prevent overly skinny models promoting underweight body image.

The other is just lazy fat people who like food and could stop eating tomorrow if they chose to.

I wonder if the root cause of this is the insidious acceptance into western society that a basically underweight body is beautiful. Most of our media images of famous actresses and models are people who are underweight - compare Victoria Beckham Spice Girls with now. Jennifer Lawrence says she was initially (first hunger games) treated as a "fat" actress by Hollywood standards.

So anorexia sufferers are never told "just eat you starving bastards" because being overly thin is seen as striving for social beauty and going a bit too far. Whereas obesity sufferers are constantly told "just stop eating you fat bastards" because being fat is seen as a symptom of lack of self control.

What a fucked up place we have got to. The media, the fashion industry and Hollywood have a lot of responsibility for this.

toffee1000 · 26/10/2017 01:39

Actually really skinny people are often told to just eat a burger. Never mind that their brain is telling them that they cannot eat or gain any weight because they'll be a failure. Or they may have such a fast metabolism they can eat and eat and eat yet not put on a pound. These people often want to put on weight but can't. I do agree with your main sentiment though. I can think of two, maybe three high-profile female celebrities who aren't stick thin: Adele, Amy Schumer and Melissa McCarthy.

Topseyt · 26/10/2017 02:00

I have nothing but empathy for the people on that programme and others like them. I have struggled with my weight and mental health throughout my teenage and adult life.

I have nothing but disgust for the judgy-pants fat shamers both on this thread and in real life. It must be great to be so perfect. Have you any idea how smug and obnoxious you sound?

ladybird69 · 26/10/2017 02:03

I haven’t read the full thread yet but I did watch the programme. What I thought was helpful for ‘normal’ people to understand is the gay guy who was thin until he had a life changing experience. If let’s say he’d stopped eating and developed anorexia everyone would be giving him help ie Drs, consultants food clinics psychologists etc. But no he turned to food and what help does he get ? Absolutely none zero zilch. Instead he gets judged and called fat and ugly. So it’s about time that people realise that fat thin tall short or healthy or disabled we all have the same feelings and insecurities inside so stop being so judgemental on the ones that have no help and acknowledgement that they need help not judgement too. And yes I am obese I was a skinny young girl who ended up in an abusive marriage, I didn’t starve myself, I didn’t cut myself, I didn’t try and kill myself but I found a friend in the biscuit tin. I wasn’t allowed to carry on with my dance hobby I wasn’t allowed to go for a walk outside let alone go to the gym whereas my mindfuck of a husband carried on his healthy carefree life style going to the gym while I was stuck at home barefoot and pregnant!!! Stop judging and start helping and encouraging people. Be kind. Phew that’s off my chest sorry for my rant.

ladybird69 · 26/10/2017 02:13

Just caught up with the thread and Dobby and a few others hit the nail on the head. It’s about time things changed. Stop us being easy targets and get some help out there for the obese

JustDanceAddict · 26/10/2017 07:50

ladybird - hope you got out of that marriage.

Hermagsjesty · 26/10/2017 08:26

(Incidentally, I think there’s also a lot of classism tied into the fat-shaming in this country, as the references to Greggs etc above demonstrate.)

cushioncovers · 26/10/2017 16:48

Saw this thread so going to watch this. Will be back later.