Is this rape? BBC3 now

[ImperialBlether]

Anyone watching?

vel I'm so sorry that happened to your Dniece. I have a little experience of the courts and prosecution services but what I know is rather disappointing, especially in relation to sexual assault.

She is so brave.

Wtf!! You rape someone you are a rapist. I don't care if it was a "misunderstanding' you are a rapist

Sorry, I meant court not prison.

I think the teenagers are now realising that it indeed was rape, so hopefully, they will now realise consent means the word 'yes', or proper actions, such as grabbing the mans penis and putting it in your own mouth etc.

I've been with my DH for over 20 years and he still says, 'are you sure' when we are in a sexual situation, therefore he gets my consent.

Thankfulky they have now got the barrister on telling them the truth.

I do not think it is necessarily about the burden of proof

for many if a woman goes back to a hotel room, flirts, starts to have sex with someone they are in a position where the man has the right to carry on as he feels because men can't help themselves

and then of course women are separated into nice women and not so nice women

that is disgraceful Vel :(

So depressing that the teenagers are so uneducated about consent and basic sexual etiquette.

-.- Blondie still doesn't see it as rape...

agree flossie

it is very depressing I am quite shocked at how uneducated many seem to be and also their attitude towards the girl

This has been really difficult to watch. So depressing. I'm amazed at the young girls sharing their stories though, I wouldn't have been so brave at that age.

I wonder how many of the girls are now thinking or rather realising that they have indeed been raped or at least sexually assaulted, and likewise the boys, have they raped or sexually assaulted?

Well that was fucking depressing.

It might have been interesting to have a heterosexual man on who'd been raped by another man. I don't think some of the boys in the audience had thought it might happen to them.

Though some of the boys were absolutely great in the way they approached it.

So the moral of that little dramatisation is that if you are a bloke and you get with a girl but you know its 'a bit iffy' then whatever you do, don't text your mates about it the next day.

Great. Super education about sexual crime there, well done BBC.

can't see that a jury would convict him... after all they don't have the video evidence we saw and the guy would lie through his teeth...

Exactly mil that's the problem. As a crime it rests so much on the testimony of the people involved so is very hard to get beyond reasonable doubt which is the legal test. You can always reasonably doubt someone's truthfulness.

@spritefairy Wtf!! You rape someone you are a rapist. I don't care if it was a "misunderstanding' you are a rapist

So true! In Germany we now get assholes claiming that raping women who were forced into prostitution shouldn't be called rape because the rapist doesn't know she isn't prostituting herself voluntarily or whatever bullshit.

I call a rape a rape, and this legalising prostitution without criminalizing johns was a stupid idea in the first place.

So, back to topic ... I hope they translate this show, seems to be some much-needed education.

@EnthusiasmDisturbed: Sometimes I think women should just draw the logical conclusion - never go to a hotel room with a man. And then see how the guys like that. (Not at all, probably.)
I mean, on one hand, they want women to be trusting and never suspect anything bad when hit on by a guy in a hotel elevator at 3 am, but on the other hand, women who are that trusting ... are then blamed for men raping them.
(Yes, I know, that's not the SAME men, or so I am told ... but you seldom hear the protest cries of men when a man claims that "She went to his hotel room, that equals consent.")

This program has really upset me. I've been through it myself and the arguments these children are coming out with are disgusting. That vile little shit with the glasses deserves a good backhander. And all the kids saying they think it was rape but don't think he deserves a jail sentence is really upsetting. This stuff needs teaching in schools. If I were making that call, I'd be having yearly lessons from the age of 13.

If I were a parent to most of these kids I'd be ashamed, worried and disappointed. And yes the kid with the glasses needs a slap!!

Most worried about Blondie but actually made me think about something someone said to me years ago "some people have been so abused they think it's normal" genuinely worried she may have been a prolonged victim of childhood sexual abuse.

And wtf! The reactions when he was found guilty?! EVERY rapist deserves at the least a bloody long if not genuine life sentence!

If I were mother to any of those girls excepting the one who'd already been raped I'd be sitting them down for a serious talk on what they need to do to protect themselves.

Think it's too extreme to show my almost 15 year old?

I don't know about 15, seems young but plenty of children that age getting into sexual situations.

The boys looked more freaked out than the girls which tbh is a good thing. Agree that they've all done so much already without ever talking about any of it or understanding their own boundaries.

Makes me want to raise the age of consent to 21 tbh.

Some of the boys were great, but others... I think they still had the idea that a rapist is a stranger, has vaginal or anal sex and the woman says no.

Most shocking, I thought, was the way they nearly all put their hands up when asked whether they knew anyone, male or female, who'd done that sort of thing.

Another thing - surely most people when giving a blow job would be on top, actively doing it? They saw the same film that we saw. The guy was on top, the girl flat on the bed. Would anyone enjoy being in that position, even if it was consensual? I don't know how you could watch that and think it was anything other than him putting his penis into her mouth, rather than her taking his penis into her mouth.

I've just watched this and found it interesting. I totally agree it was rape, she did not consent, I don't know if he thought he had consent or not, but I do wonder what he was getting from a lifeless body, surely he could see she wasn't interested?

Is there a difference (in the eyes of the law) between the rape in the film we saw and a grab off the street, beat up, and rape?
Is one rape and the other aggravated rape or rape and gbh? Or are they classed as the same?

It's the same crime but when they work out the sentence they take different things into account and the latter might include another crime like kidnap.

But Vestal a girl/woman might want to go back to a room with a guy she has meet thought she would like to get intimate and even want sex then change her mind she should always have full autonomy over her body and so should a boy/man

This is the message we need to get across always get consent, talk about contraception and should you get intimate or start having sex if you change your mind and want to stop at any time that is your right that's ok to do (for either person) you stop doing what ever it is you are doing no one will be harmed from this