Big Brother Thread 3 - Lessons learned: Beware of teddies and don't wear your best jacket to bed

[AnneEyhtMeyer]

We need some more tasks like the In the Dark one.

Hope Sarah goes tonight.

...And as I suspected Simon has apparently been spotted at Elstree this morning.

Thaaaat's Showbiz

Mr Bloody Showbiz? I thought BB had realised what a mess this year's line-up was, hence the mass eviction, but clearly not if they are putting in old jazz-hands.

I expected this from the moment he was evicted especially when they made so much of it being 'Timebomb' and 'anything can happen'

That said they made a big thing about how it was the first time it had ever happened but that's not the case. A few years back they sent one of the contestants home on the 'nightbus' on the first night. Can't remember if she made it into the main house though so probably technically they're right

I like all these changes. It annoyed me last year that Helen won simply because all those who had bet huge amounts of money on her winning voted for her. It was a punter's dream with her being guaranteed to be in the final.

This year it's totally unpredictable and there is no point having a game plan. Just get in there, be yourself and do it for the 'experience' like everyone always pretends (but secretly just want the money/fame).

I can't warm to Joel - I think Jade has him spot on - pompous/smug - he's not right.
Interesting that none of the housemates have much warmth towards him - they were unanimous that he was the person who would take the money if given the opportunity.

I agree Aaron struggles with boundaries (and has done from the beginning) but Joel has led him on and flirted back - it's been a two-way street helping both of them to get camera time.

Joel has obviously been really pissed off with Aaron for a long time - hence the long, long list of grievances in the task that caused the huges rows - Sarah told Joel there was no need to list every single fault he could pick on in Aaron. But Joel doesn't care about the others.

I think Joel is a typical 'politician' and an opportunist and like everyone in there this is his 'opportunity' - As soon as he realised Aaron had been told off by BB - Joel pounced - into the diary room and giving it the full Jimmy Savile - he actually said to BB - did he touch me?

He knew he had Aaron up against the wall and he stuck the knife in -

He knew BB would be shitting themselves over the public going all OFCOM mental on them

Fundamentally Aaron is wrong - but Joel totally capitalised on that - instead of complaining before, instead of having it out privately with Aaron - as he clearly already had grievances - instead of saying to BB - as long as Aaron stops and undertakes not to invade my space again - but no, he went into the diary room all guns blazing - knowing what the outcome would be - this is the same guy who regularly bathes with Joel!!! With friends like that...

I feel sorry for Aaron but he had to go because of Joel's hardline and uncompromising stance - fair enough but Joel in the process has cooked his own goose and will be out as soon as he goes up.

Joel's a smooth orator (he enjoyed putting Jade down) but his smugness will undo him - 'I'm worried people will blame me' he said when he came out of the diary room - not 'Aaron really upset me' - it's all about him and how he will appear.

I don't think you can say imagine if Joels was a girl or Harriet was a boy - or if this was in the real world - because they aren't and it isn't in the real world - it's a contrived scenario and they all know they are with extreme people but always with a 'protection' team behind the nearest door.

He had to go but I wish he hadn't

I feel sorry for Aaron but he had to go because of Joel's hardline and uncompromising stance

I disagree. I think Aaron went because he sexually assaulted Joel.

My point about gender was that it makes no difference that Joel is male. And all those 'reasons' that you list make not one jot of difference.

'I'm worried people will blame me' he said when he came out of the diary room - not 'Aaron really upset me'

Sadly, this is often how women respond when they are sexually assaulted. They need to be reassured that it is absolutely not their fault and the blame lies 100% with the person who assaulted them. Thankfully the producers of the show understand this and were quick to take to proper action.

I absolutely agree unmee I actually think Joel previously came across as quite liking some of the attention from Aaron (I don't mean last nights events) and while I agree Aaron took it too far he completely stuck the knife in when he went in the diary room. He didn't seem traumatised to me, if it bothered him that much he could have been more forceful instead of wandering around the bedroom and constantly giving Aaron little glances.

Re his sexuality I think he is curious but embarrassed to admit it and that's why he made a big point of saying in the diary room he is a straight male and in no way encouraged Aaron- leading up to last night he has flirted and seemed very interested in Aaron's lifestyle.

Oh please no, not Mr Showbiz

I agree with Fair. If Joel's wasn't prepared to put his lips on Aaron, then having someone thrust their genitals will obviously be a step too far, and rightly so. Joel made it crystal clear where his boundaries were when they played spin the bottle.

He may have flirted back but he drew a line and made it clear to everyone!

If Sarah's flirting encourages Danny to waggle his winkle in her face and she says no, what will people say?

They'll say he took the piss!

Haven't watched any bb in the last couple of weeks but just seen on the Internet about arron being kicked out and obviously I've missed a lot I feel like aarron is a lot more well liked than Joel by the housemates so I imagine this will result in Joel being resented for getting Aaron booted out.

I'm not a judge or a police officer and don't know the technical definition of sexual assault - and I wouldn't bandy those sort of accusations around.

On the basis that the producers saw more of what happened than us before they edited it - and were happy to put Aaron back in the house - unlike when Hazel and Daley in the previous series - I feel that the behaviour was too full on and should have been stopped earlier - but that's what young drunk people do - I've also witnessed similar behaviour in many 'youth tv' shows - I don't think there's any cause for people to go all legal on people's asses.

The producers waited until morning - hence Aaron's change of outfit.

This is not about women being raped and it's wrong to draw that anology to try and lend greater 'rightness' to your opinion. View the incident on its individual merits not on what it might have been or could have been if different people or genders were involved in a different place.

It is what it is and not something else and I maintain he shouldn't have gone.

Where do you stop otherwise? Have the twins up on an incitement to commit a public order offence by antagonising everybody?

It's reality TV and it's sensational. The producers let it go as far as they can - they're not the guardians of public morals

producers waited until THE morning - sorry not this morning

Wow, RL has royally messed up this years BB watching. I can't possibly catch up so I'm going to start afresh tonight, hopefully!

I agree McButtonwillow - Joel seemed to be aimlessly waltzing around in front of Aaron repeatedly - playing the game - fair enough - they're both there to get famous - they're both scratching each other's backs.

WeinerDiva - Joel wouldn't kiss Aaron's lips but he said he would kiss his butt - how clear are those boundaries?

These are drunk young people having the party of their lives - gay or straight - did Anthony shag Makosi - did Kinga sit on a bottle - this stuff would not surprise any of these kids brought up with BB as a backgound to their lives - I don't buy Joel at all - he's not an innocent from the valleys.

But he probably isn't suited to that environment ... and yet he's served his purpose - he's made great TV and now we're done, he's satisfied our voyeuristic needs for a while and it's time for him to go too

On the plus side, re Simon Showbiz from Dullsville , he has hacked off so many people the minute he is up for eviction he'll be gone.
Fingers crossed the only reason he's been spotted around the studios is for some crappy 2min segment for BOTS

Weirdly, I'd rather kiss a bum cheek than someone's mouth. But weird or not if that's his boundary that's his choice

This is not about women being raped and it's wrong to draw that anology to try and lend greater 'rightness' to your opinion.

I didn't say it was about rape, I said sexual assault.

And I said it doesn't make a difference if the victim is male or female.

There's a lot of victim blaming in your post unmee so I think it might just be best for us to agree to disagree on this one.

You have a clearly stated agenda about there being a 'victim' in this scenario and you see this as representative of the treatment of women in wider society - I don't and am happier to keep the debate to the specifics of Big Brother and Aaron/Joel - sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke.

I agree and don't think we'd ever see eye to eye so - Fair enough!

I've been away, going to try and catch up in a minute! Hello to everyone

The shame is that Joel has been saved by the nominations switch around - otherwise the whole thing could have been 'put to bed' when he was evicted this week - when he say's - I'm worried people will blame me - I think he's talking about the public rather than the housemates and he's got a politician's sense of how this could backfire - (whatever the rights and wrongs of events)

My feeling is though - if Aaron pressed Joel's buttons - wait til he sees what BB put in instead of the four evictees!!

The producers now have all the inside info on exactly what sort of people will crank their gears - bring it on!!!

I'm with Faire.

I can't see there is any defence for Aaron's behaviour.

As for McButton's post: He didn't seem traumatised to me, if it bothered him that much he could have been more forceful instead of wandering around the bedroom and constantly giving Aaron little glances.

I am totally at this. So telling Aaron repeatedly to stop while moving away from him wasn't forceful enough? Seriously? How forceful did you want him to be? As for the "little glances" - wasn't he just keeping an eye on him so he could move away again^?

It is attitudes like this that make people scared to report sexual assaults. Joel is a virgin who has stated that he was not remotely attracted to Aaron. Aaron has tried to intimidate him and "prove" he is gay despite Joel telling him he is straight.

So someone is sexually assaulted, but it could all be "put to bed" by evicting the victim, unmee? Ok. That's a weird attitude to crime.

@AnneEyhtMeyer

I get a bit sick of this fundamentalist moral agenda - copper, judge and jury eh?

I don't have any evidence of someone being sexually assaulted - nor do you

But I suspect some people - you included - are doing a good line in defamation and/or libel

@AnneEyhtMeyer

If you're so righteous - get that first stone out and call the old Bill or do you not share in the guilt by having watched it and done nothing?

I hope Aaron's lawyers are making a nice list of the judgers for compensation for defamation - or has be been found guilty of something and I've missed that?

I think you've mis-judged this thread, unmee.