Plus size wars anyone?

[Lardylassnomore]

On channel four plus one at the moment

Of course those bigger women look beautiful.
The program makers have looked at the bigger people of the country and cherry picked the most beautiful (and young), to give people the skewed perception that it's okay to be really, really overweight.

Come over here! Look at these beautiful women! You too can look like this if you get to this size!

What a crock of s..t.

For starters, very few overweight women are blessed with such good looks and youth only lasts a few years. It's fleeting.
Most people look OK when they're young, no matter what their size.

Try looking like these big girls when you're big if you're not pretty and young.

I find this type of program really slanted and it's giving out dangerous advice to the young and impressionable.

The reality of being grosely obese is

Chafed thighs
Cellulite
Odema
Limited mobility
Can't do all the things with your children you should be able to do,
eg sit on the swings with them, etc
Travel is a nightmare
Hot weather is dreaded.

I used to be very overweight. Now I'm a size 16.
I know which I prefer.

Yes it is, WindMeUp, because this kind of concern-trolling about thin people's health doesn't exist in any way the same quantity as it does fat.

Thing is, there will be fat people regardless. Fat people are shamed constantly (as people have been doing here). That fat-shaming has never, ever helped anyone get thin. Usually the opposite is true - making people feel better about themselves helps. In the meantime, fat people still have to wear clothes.

That's what the programme was about. Clothes for fat women. Not about whether those fat women were healthy. If you really want to confine discussion on this thread to what the programme was about, I suggest you start with that.

I used to be very overweight. Now I'm a size 16.

Did fat-shaming help you to lose weight? Because if it did, you are the only person in the history of forever where that's been the case.

the American girl has a stunningly beautiful face which won't be doing her any harm. But the rest of her is a waddling health problem.

You can't get away from the fact that fat people waddle when they walk.
Which makes them seem slightly comical.
Waddling is not sexy.

I used to be fat and that was one of the things I hated the most. My walk.
I'm a size 16 now (which some people still see as fat) but I think that 16 is a good weight, for me.
and I no longer waddle

not a matter of thin or fat shaming, simply stating the facts.

too fat is a health risk.
too thin is a health risk.

the exact figures vary from person to person, but we all know what too fat and too thin look like. I used to work with some very slim but fit and healthy girls. Comparing them to the wreckage you see on the fashion catwalks makes it obvious what too thin is.

I used to be very overweight. Now I'm a size 16.

Did fat-shaming help you to lose weight? Because if it did, you are the only person in the history of forever where that's been the case.

No, I don't agree with fat shaming but I think things are shifting too much in the other direction.
I think if programs like this had been around when I decided to shift my extra weight, I think there's a possibility I would have stayed that size!
10 years ago, when I was that size, there weren't programs like that around and there wasn't the choice in clothes,
which was a huge incentive for me to lose weight.

Not a popular view, but a true one.

Fat shaming helps loads of people lose weight.

The weight loss boards are crammed full of people who had their 'lightbulb' moment after not fitting in a rollercoaster or seeing a photo in which they looked awful or their kids being teased for having a fat mum. Fat shaming can be a catalyst for someone to change their life and adopt healthy food and exercise.

I refuse to accept that there is a fat person alive who wouldn't take a pill that would make them slim if it were possible.

People can keep on attempting to glamourize it and convince themselves they're healthy and beautiful but when you're morbidly obese it simply isn't true.

not a matter of thin or fat shaming, simply stating the facts

When a programme about fashion is discussed almost entirely with people concern-trolling about how unhealthy they perceive the models to be, then yes, that's fat shaming.

Dress it up as you like, it's fat shaming.

And it won't help a single fat person get thinner. Quite the reverse. If you were genuinely concerned about fat people's health, then you wouldn't do it.

Having a difference of opinion is not 'trolling'.

Fat shaming helps loads of people lose weight

Fat-shaming might make loads of people wish they could lose weight. It might even make them crash-diet and make themselves even unhealthier by stupid diets, but no, it doesn't make people lose weight in a long term, sustainable way.

And it makes people miserable, and in plenty of cases the response to that is for the fat person to get even bigger.

Do you want to make people miserable? Then carry on.

What a boring world it would be if we all agreed with each other.
What would be the point of having a discussion about anything?

Archery your being ridiculous. This is purely discussing the programme last night, whether the programme was right or wrong in being made isn't our choice.

Someone who is morbidly obese is clearly not healthy.

Nobody is fat shaming.
People are purely saying that it's not good to be celebrating either end of the scale.
Whether too fat or too thin.

The people who think this program was OK, would doubtless be horrified if there was a program celebrating extreme thinness.

i know someone whos underweight to the point she cant have kids and had created other health problems, in comparison to me im lightyears healthier, im currently loosing weight i.e i wont be young forever. as a society we still consistently miss the point.

Having a difference of opinion is not 'trolling'.

No, it isn't. But when the main topic of conversation on a thread about a fashion programme is how concerned you all are about how unhealthy these models are, then I can point out that you are, in fact, concern-trolling.

So by discussing this programme, I am personally responsible if an overweight person puts on more weight because they don't like the fact that being overweight is unhealthy?

i know someone who's underweight to the point she cant have kids and had created other health problems

Maybe Chanel 4 could make a program about her and others like her, you know - try and normalize extreme Thinness by making a program about it.
Like they're trying to do with extremely Overweight people.

Can nobody see how the program last night was all sorts of wrong?

What makes people miserable Archery is their decision not to exert any self control over their diet.

It is not slim people's fault that fat people are fat. It's their own. And this current culture of making themselves out to be victims and of trying to remove any notion of personal culpabity for ones own health is bloody awful.

I'm not naturally skinny. I love pizza and burgers and chocolate. But I work out 4 times a week and limit my calorie intake because I choose to be healthy, because I want to be around for as long as possible so I can see my kids grow to adulthood and have kids of their own and yes because I want to look smoking hot in a size 10 dress.

It's a choice.

But it was a fashion programme about plus sized models which centred around their size. Their size was the whole point of the programme

then I can point out that you are, in fact, concern-trolling.

Omg, there are different categories of trolling?
You are surely not serious?

must try and remember to use that phrase to DM when she phones later

I came on this thread looking for an interesting discussion about the plus-size clothes industry. What I got was you lot, so very concerned about these women. These poor, poor, successful, beautiful women.

How dare fat women like themselves! I look forward to your threads expressing your deep, deep concerns about the health of all the fat men out there.

You can all think what you like and deny it all you like, but you are, in fact, fat-shaming.

the programme was about plus size clothes industry. .

I came on this thread looking for an interesting discussion about the plus-size clothes industry

If I came on here expecting an interesting discussion on the Size 0 clothes industry, I would also get a lot of varied thin shaming opinions. And rightly so.

It's life.

When people talk about extremes of any sort, you will get strong opinions.

I saw the programme and I think its good that there are more chains addressing the issue of bigger sizes and larger people wanting to look nice and fashionable. Why the hell shouldn't they? If I was big I'd want choices too and to feel pretty, if my self-confidence allowed that at a larger size.

As for the wider issues of fat acceptance and pride - that does worry me - particularly when you're talking about a size 24, like Tess Munster is. I don't want anyone to feel horrible about their size or to be vilified for it, but on the other hand the normalising and fetishising of fat is every bit as harmful as the size 0 thing among standard models. Both are unhealthy body shapes and for most of us they're not desirable (or in the case of size O, attainable), and for good reason.

To be fair, the model agency featured (MILK), mainly supplies models who are size 14 or 16, which is pretty standard and not necessarily overweight, depending on height and body shape (and most of the models were tall and seemed to carry weight in proportion to height). I'm all for a celebration of healthy bodies of different sizes.

So celebrities such as Victoria Beckham and Cheryl Cole are not continually told to "go and eat a pie" or "put some meat on their bones"?

Being super skinny is just as unhealthy, but again the programme being discussed was re plus sized models and plus sized "bloggers"