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C4 9pm on now - Things We Won't Say About Race. Are you watching?

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SoleSource · 19/03/2015 21:03

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mariamin · 19/03/2015 21:37

They did what many close knit communities do. They pooled money from the much wider family, to start up and build up a business.
It was the same model used by poor pakistani families to set up corner shops.
Jewish culture also values education and achievement very highly. That has an impact on the academic and career achievements of Jewish children.

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SoleSource · 19/03/2015 21:40

My Ex MIL joined a pyramid system in the 1960's. She was from St Thomas in Jamaica.

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ItsAllKickingOffPru · 19/03/2015 21:43

Including media careers, mariamin, I should imagine. Education is the key to a good career, not cultural background.

Theknacktoflying · 19/03/2015 21:45

I think the problem with this (as an earlier participant said) was that TP has got the knowledge and nuance of the situation - otherwise it is just a show that legitimises the lazy racist view ...

MissYamabuki · 19/03/2015 21:46

I think Jewish people did money lending because Muslims and (centuries ago) Christians were not allowed to charge interest. Also in some places they weren't allowed to own land.

ChoochiWhoo · 19/03/2015 21:49

I think class has a lot to do with tv/film careers you only have to look at the oscars its not based on popularity/quality of film. I think the convo with les ferdinand was interesting

ChoochiWhoo · 19/03/2015 22:04

Ah Rotherham is on!...

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SoleSource · 19/03/2015 22:16

Ooh Tony!

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ChoochiWhoo · 19/03/2015 22:28

What happened to the white n poor bit? Confused

perfectpeach · 19/03/2015 22:42

yeah that was a bit of a weird ending!!

JazzAnnNonMouse · 19/03/2015 22:43

I thought it was really interesting and for me growing up racism hasn't really been an issue as much as it was for previous generations (I'm 24).
I feel that there's a much bigger issue of culture clash and xenophobia rather than racism now.

Like I said I found it v interesting but I'm unclear as to what he thinks we should do/ his views?

ChoochiWhoo · 19/03/2015 22:45

Pfft not very controversial i wondered if theyd touch the fact white poor girls were groomed was largely due to racist views..towards white women /white poor women ....nope..even Mr Phillips didn't want to touch that one with a bargepole.

Philoslothy · 19/03/2015 22:47

The Torah teaches that Jewish people can charge interest to non Jewish people or foreigners, so it was something that was open to them but only as a service to non Jewish people. You can see how this would breed resentment,

ChoochiWhoo · 19/03/2015 22:50

Jazz yeah i see what i mean , I think particularly here, classism is a bigger issue in regard to blatant predjudice, its worrying how thick and fast victorian views on the undeserving poor is by far a bigger, classism is the new racism.

LadyLou30 · 19/03/2015 22:50

Can't have been an easy programme to put together and I guess for the most part it played quite safe. Thought it was interesting though. I do wonder what the answer is tho? There is very little diversity in the area I live in Scotland.

ChoochiWhoo · 19/03/2015 22:51

*by far a bigger problem

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SamG76 · 20/03/2015 10:27

It wasn't just a matter of interest. Aaron of Lincoln produced some quite advanced mortgage instruments around the 12th century. Also, because the Jews weren't subject to feudal laws (they were the property of the king) they could move around and run businesses, at a time when there was very little int'l trade.

I read last year than as an alternative to having to ship gold from the Americas to Europe (and risk having it stolen by buccaneers or the English), it could be deposited with Jewish or Italian bankers in Surinam, who would issue you with an IOU which could be cashed in in Leghorn. Brilliant, but needs good logistics and a degree of trust....!

jeanswithatwist · 20/03/2015 16:01

I haven't seen the program me but from reading these posts it would appear to have only been about jewsConfused did he not touch on anything else?

Ubik1 · 20/03/2015 16:32

No it wasn't only about Jewish people.

Perhaps you should watch it

jeanswithatwist · 20/03/2015 17:33

i was going to avoid it as i imagined it would piss me off. not sure if to watch or not

AliceMcGee · 20/03/2015 18:50

there was only a few minutes about Jews.
it was good food for thought I would watch it! these issues need to be brought into the open and discussed.

jeanswithatwist · 20/03/2015 19:17

i will watch later, ta

YouAreMyRain · 20/03/2015 20:26

Surely we should be using the term "Jewish people" instead of "Jews" because it's more humanising.

jeanswithatwist · 21/03/2015 04:38

funny you should say that. i am a jew and have no problem with it. neither do the vast majority of jews i have grown up with/know, never come into my head tbh. having said that, an older woman (jewish) recently had a go at me when i referred to myself casually as a jew in a conversation we were having. i can see it from her pov, just doesn't bother me although in similar situations in the future (ie talking to an elder) i will be more careful sos not to offend as it was not my intention. it could be said in a derogatory way, in which case i can imagine to say 'a jew' would be very upsetting but of course, i don't say it in that way, just a lazy way but i appreciate your comment.