The Paedophile Hunter

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Anyone else watching?

Not watched but I am uneasy about the concept
1/ the facebook exposure may in fact prejudice a trial and reduce the chances of a conviction. Counterproductive.

2/ if he is setting up profiles, do they have pictures? If so, whose pictures? And does he have permission to use them?

3/ of the purpose is to expose underfunding of police services could they not have taken a broader less sensationalist overview of the funding issue, conviction rates etc. Rather than focusing in solely on this.

4/ really at some of the attitudes to families of alleged perpetrators. Their children ARE children ffs. That they have families is no rEason not to punish them but it is a reason not to publicly identify them in an irresponsible manner.

Yes paedophilia is appalling and horrifying. And this kind of exposé might at least show that allowing young kids unsupervised internet access may be exposing them to real danger and that they should be both supervised and taught real life skills about boundaries and when to report. (Although the fault of course for any abuse/grooming lies solely with the perpetrator). And possibly the people who run social media sites should put a bit more thought into safety into policing them

Well they are indy!

Paedos are disgusting, IndeliKate - and the ones depicted in this video certainly were. They turned up to meet-ups knowing what they were doing was illegal - the intent to groom underage girls for sex.

Ever had contact with one? Ever had one set his sights on your daughter? I have. It doesn't make me shoot the family dog through the head for playing with my children, but it does make me more aware. Read my post again.

Justice I also wondered that about the pictures. I think some of them were pictures of young adults pretending to be younger than they are, but I wasn't sure about all of them.

I am also shocked that anyone could have a 'fuck their children' attitude. As someone said upthread, should we not be protecting all children? It's a bit hypocritical to be so uncaring about the children (and let's not forget, also possible victims) of the pedophiles, but so caring towards the victims. They are all innocent children who have a fundamental right to be safe and protected, regardless of where exactly they fall in the situation.

Asking someone if they are a paedophile because they don't agree with an opinion is exactly why the rule of law is needed. What next, string up InteliKate because she dares to disagree? There is a group mentality which defaults to 'if you're not with us, you're one of them' and I've just seen it in action. I am livid.

People could Google 'logical fallacy' and then come back and have a reasoned debate about it.

Actually look up some less immediate stuff than television; written, published, peer reviewed stuff about patriarchy and feminism and the infantilisation of women through diets and shaving and control and all that kind of boring stuff that feeds into a culture of masculinity, which can be argued prizes youth in females above all else, and then think about it.

This doesn't come from nowhere. There is no such thing as evil, only human beings, and we're all participants in this culture and we all have a responsibility as to how it's enacted and perpetuated.

Who are the biggest number of perpetrators of child sexual abuse? Family members and people known to the child.

How are we going to stop that then? What are we going to do about it? Appoint a Facebook warrior in every family?

Are you excusing the men in that programme though, indeliKate? Is it a "hysterical reaction" to object to men seeking vulnerable 12 yr old girls online for sex? It is a thing. Predatory paedophiles exist - and the law is sadly woefully inadequate in dealing with them.

Agreed Panthingies but I don't think it would be abhorrent for the police to work with trained volunteers in this area, as they do quite successfully in many other ways. Funding, leadership and training being the three vital ingredients, I would say.

Isn't the point that the police would be doing more if they were properly resourced? Then we need to get them resourced and part of this imo would be also to work with 'vigilantes' in a way that engages them and channels their motivation etc, rather than just telling them to go away.

I found the programme deeply disturbing.

I want paedophiles to be caught and prosecuted...but not by violent vigilantes with criminal records.

Umm nowhere does indy go 'excusing' the paedophiles behaviour. That's one short step away from suggesting her/his name is Roger.

"hysterical reactions"

We'll leave it there then, Indelikate.

Or maybe not. T

hose cases went to court, did they not? There they got the rational, careful, evidence-based action on behalf of society to deal the best we can with the problem

All I'm saying is that I know (we all know) that the police and CEOP have very inadequate resources to deal with this problem. Yes, they caught my friend's dh, but they know how many go free.

I find it difficult to go with the "hysterical reaction" thing at this point.

You better believe it, Indelikate. I never thought it could happen to my daughter - I'm the most protective mother going. It was my best friend's husband - we spent a lot of time with them. He was trusted.

I do feel they they should be locked up - thankfully ^ this one is now. But there are many still out there. We owe it to our daughters to recognise this.

fuck their families & wives and think of the young girls and their families.

Obviously I don't agree with that. My friend and I have supported each other throughout. Her own children were abused too.

Being "terrified" of a relatively rare crime helps and protects no one.

Relative to what? Which crime would you like to compare it to?