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Fellow Homelanders - there is a Season 4 trailer!

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Hassled · 14/07/2014 22:03

Here. At one point Quinn appears to be either hugging or killing Salieri - apart from that it tells you very little. But still - Homeland!!!

I reckon (based on nothing except slowly building hype and last year's timings) that we're looking at late September/early October. Can we cope in a world without Brody?

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Brassrubbing · 21/10/2014 13:16

Episode 1 was excellent, but Episode 2 really pissed me off, because it was so lazy. I thought really, surely, the writers weren't going to do the predictable thing of making Carrie now able to deal unproblematically with the fallout from killing dozens of innocent civilians by her order and watching a colleague be kicked to death in front of her, BUT not cope with the idea of looking after a baby for more than an hour without attempting to kill it in the bath.

Because she's so edgy and interesting and obsessive about her work, she couldn't possibly be a faulty, human, not-particularly-natural-but-committed mother, because maternal competency is reserved for the not-so-interesting banal domestic-medical sister? Laaazy. Carrie goes through pregnancy, gives birth, apparently has no PND/mental health fallout despite her previous fragility, and all her trauma, goes back into the field and is completely unaffected by her colleague's murder - despite the fact that a hard-ass like Quinn has gone a bit mad over it - and her own civilian-killing orders, but it's day-to-day life with a baby that makes her go mad? Puh-lease.

Also that thoroughly unconvincing soliloquy where she drives to Brodie's old house, parks and tells her baby that she only gave birth to her and kept her because it was the last thing Brodie was pleased about, and now she no longer understands why? Are we to believe that she never in fact held her baby, fed her or changed her nappy at all between her birth and whenever she took the job in Kabul? Surely there must have been a week or two when she did some childcare, enough to know roughly which end you poke the bottle into, and how to change a nappy???

It's a waste of a decent actress. And it's a boring, predictable, TV cliche - the brilliant, obsessive, fearless, intuitive career woman who's just too edgy and cerebral and brave to change a nappy. DH had to stop me shouting at the screen.

Lweji · 21/10/2014 15:08

I think Carrie has detached, which is why she is coping weirdly well with killing the civilians, but she finds her baby emotionally demanding.
I suspect something will give in at some point.

DiaDuit · 21/10/2014 15:24

The baby is too painful for her. It's brodie's legacy. She had the baby because she loved him and wanted that link to him but carrie never wanted to be a mother and surprise surprise- the baby isnt brodie so it's not like having him there. I honestly dont know how on earth carrie thought she would be able to be a parent. Maybe she didnt think that far ahead.

Lweji · 21/10/2014 15:34

Can't remember which episode this was mentioned, but it sounds like she took the baby to Istanbul, but "got called up to Kabul" where she "couldn't take the baby with her" and had to ask her sister.

Brassrubbing · 21/10/2014 15:57

But isn't it implicit that she was lying all along, that she specifically got herself transferred to somewhere she couldn't take her child, precisely for that reason?

I still think it's lazy characterisation, in a show that has generally tended to deal sensitively and unstereotypically with mental health issues - the brilliant, brave, solitary careerist woman who can handle drone strikes but not a baby is such a cliche. It's hard to see Carrie winning suburban mother of the year in her circumstances, but all those shots where she's holding the baby like a sack of spuds, or standing well back from the cot looking distracted, or looking at the nanny changing the nappy as if she's never seen it done before, are cliches. WE get it, we get it, she's the guy/spy, and her unfortunate sister is cast as the nagging, domesticated 'wife', raging at him for not coming home on time, bit isn't Carrie more interesting than that? Isn't Homeland better than that?

(I wasn't wildly impressed with the 'we're showing just how traumatised Peter Quinn has become by not only depicting him drinking himself into a stupor, but by bedding an overweight hotel manager who's not in his league lookswise' either... But upward and onward - episode one was excellent, and I am emailing the producers to say they should not waste Mandy Patinkin's voice, so they should have a musical episode, Buffy-style, where he can sing a song called 'Attacks by Drone and I'm On My Own' Grin.)

DiaDuit · 21/10/2014 16:06

have to say i was really disappointed when they did the pregnancy storyline. It was just too easy and predictable. It's dumbing down.

Lweji · 21/10/2014 16:19

WE get it, we get it, she's the guy/spy, and her unfortunate sister is cast as the nagging, domesticated 'wife', raging at him for not coming home on time, bit isn't Carrie more interesting than that?

I don't think she was "lying", but rather it was an escape route.

And I don't get the feeling that it's as simple as my job is more important. I think her job is a distraction, rather.
She just doesn't want her sister to know how deeply hurting she is, IMO.

YonicScrewdriver · 21/10/2014 23:11

Just caught up!

YonicScrewdriver · 21/10/2014 23:26

I thought Quinn shot sandy to give him a quick death but think I was wrong.

secretsquirrels · 22/10/2014 13:26

I can join this thread now I've watched it!
My thoughts.
She didn't want to go through with the pregnancy IIRC but I can't recall what changed her mind.
Bored with the rejecting baby theme it is after all a very ugly baby who looks uncannily like Brodie
Pi is definitely a baddy. I think he knew those guys who roughed him up and he is storing the phials for nefarious purposes.
Saul's beard is too long. He said he had shaved it off, I bet he looks great without it.
Dusty record keeping guy is going to play a bigger part.
Quinn has gone soft.
We really need another big engaging character. Carrie alone can't carry the entire series.

DiaDuit · 22/10/2014 14:18

We really need another big engaging character.

we need brodie back but in secret and contacting carrie with some very important and increasingly urgent information but she doesnt believe it's him

secretsquirrels · 22/10/2014 14:32

He is in disguise as ugly baby.

DiaDuit · 22/10/2014 14:40
Grin

That would not surprise me with this guy!

guineapiglet · 22/10/2014 17:45

Just caught up as well..another one who thinks Pi is in with a wrong crowd, nice of him to involve his Uncles family and girlfriend?

Yes, brodybaby bears an uncanny resemblance, wonder if DL has got anything (else) to confess to us allGrin...I am convinced Brody, Like Arnie will be back. I assume Brody's family are still living there, when Carrie sat outside...wonder if Jess knows about Carrie's 'love child'...

Howaboutthisone · 22/10/2014 18:16

I agree that the baby casting was amazing! Don't think the family love there now though as it was all boarded up iirc?
And I don't think Quinn did shoot sandy- he shot two of the crowd out of the back window to clear a space to reverse.
Agree that another character is needed.

ihatethecold · 22/10/2014 18:18

I don't think he shot sandy either.
I think next week wi be better because Saul has a bigger part in it.

Lweji · 22/10/2014 20:14

Quinn definitely didn't shoot Sandy. He shot a few of the other people to keep them away from the car and to make space to reverse.

Howaboutthisone · 22/10/2014 20:15

I though that's what I saw!

YonicScrewdriver · 22/10/2014 20:48

When sandy was dragged out of the side, Quinn shot then sandy had blood on him. Probably from someone else though.

DaMoves · 22/10/2014 21:00

Saul is so wise and good!

OneSkinnyChip · 22/10/2014 21:11

I am really enjoying this season and I like the whole Carrie and baby storyline. I think she has just totally compartmentalised the baby, detached herself. She knows she's being a shit mother and she doesn't like being shit at anything. So, detachment. I agree that down the line it may all go boom.

Another curvy chubster lady here volunteering for the Quinn special (shag, fry up and beating of a random twat) :o

DaMoves · 22/10/2014 23:20

Wow Bradley James can definitely act! I didn't recognise him at all. His accent is better than Damian's .

Lweji · 23/10/2014 00:10

I have just replayed Sandy's death scene a few times and there may be some continuity problems or montage problems, as when the first guy is shot, he seems to be already out of the car, but then the scene shows him being pulled out.
But the man who is shot on the chest just outside Sandy's car door is definitely not Sandy. He was beaten to death.

Lweji · 23/10/2014 00:14

And has anyone spotted the Spook in the trailer? (not in an episode yet)

What they need is spooky Richard Armitage, given that they are fond of the Brits.

HalleLouja · 23/10/2014 06:05

They are bringing in Zaf. I loved him when he was in Spooks also Mistresses and Bombay Dreams.