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Call The Midwife

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Daffodilly · 15/01/2014 21:47

I'm sure after the Christmas special they said a new series would be starting in the New Year. So where is it?? [impatient]

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Pixel · 26/01/2014 21:58

I actually thought they were a bit harsh on the dad, behaving as if he had no right to be upset and angry. There was no acknowledgment of the fact that he'd had a terrible shock, one minute happy he was a dad, the next finding out he'd been betrayed. Even the most saintly husband would be upset surely!

My mum had me in the sixties and tells me it was strictly 'do as you're told and lie on your back' (even though she had terrible backache) which resulted in forceps delivery, but she had me in hospital so might have been different if at home I suppose.

nikkihollis · 26/01/2014 21:58

Wow, had no idea that the NC movement started so early.

diddl I thought that Doris's husband would naturally be furious - his wife cheated on him. If he wasn't a selfish, violent man would we have been more able to see his side of the situation? The way they did it, he was the one who came across as hard and unreasonable. it was understandable that he didn't want any reminder of his wife's infidelity (especially one that he couldn't even pretend was his), but I the pain of having a child just taken away like that is horrific.

It was interesting how Carole was being adopted by university lecturers who were enlightened enough to see past colour but not enough to see how accepting her birth mother's letter, might be important.

MarthasHarbour · 26/01/2014 22:00

This storyline was in the book, i recognised it straight away with the aggressive husband coming home threatening to harm the mixed race baby and the mum spending the afternoon with her baby. So so sad.

I wept when her son snuggled into her and asked if his sister went to heaven (i had a similar thing when i lost my baby at 21wks pg - DS1 asked if his brother was sleeping in the stars Sad)

I think this series is brilliant

FamiliesShareGerms · 26/01/2014 22:27

nikki it's only relative recently that practice has changed to acknowledge that even babies removed at birth benefit from understanding their history. For a very long time it was felt that adopted children would do better if they never knew (though admittedly in this case it would have been obvious). So a pretty realistic depiction, I think.

I cried at the. "No baby" end bit Sad

shouldnthavesaid · 26/01/2014 23:00

My relatives adopted a mixed girl in the 1960s. As far as I'm aware their daughter has never been able to trace her family, I'm not 100 % sure. They weren't especially naice or rich or anything - but they are Catholic and so it might have been done via the church. DM thinks it was (and has been for a couple of centuries) quite common in Catholic Church to adopt.

That said, I also have my fathers adoption papers from the late 50s (58) via Church of Scotland. On all papers (I have from the initial enquiry to letters discussing a sister) it was fully specified what race your possible child was. At that stage they were just sent a letter saying, 'I have baby Julia who I feel will be good for you. Julia is white with fair hair. Mother is white as is father.' So it must have been very important for a lot of people.

It's amazing how different it all is now - I have a record of where my father was born (mum and baby home), and a spiel of false information. It details his mother as being 26 and father as having xyz job. Mother was 17, father was either paying her or raped her i.e. little or no chance that she knew his occupation! All very odd. The church did hold records - accurate ones - but the parents never got them. Dad had to search himself when old enough, thankfully having been told he was adopted. I know in Carole's case it would be different - she'd know - but it must be often a bit of a futile nightmare trying to search for records.

In contrast when my aunt adopted two children (siblings, three years apart) they had regular visits, met the mother, have full contact details for the mother and siblings, children received contact for some time (cards), the eldest (who was old enough to remember her mum) was sent with a photograph album and both have scrapbooks. Just so much better.

I wish that Shelagh had kept her though, I was on the edge of my seat hoping.

thegreylady · 26/01/2014 23:10

We are just at the end of the 50s I think. Grantly Dick Reade was a pioneer of natural childbirth but by the late 60s he had been superceded by Erna Wright. I had her book The New Childbirth which I used in both pregnancies and had virtually painfree deliveries.

Shallishanti · 26/01/2014 23:11

I may have dreamt this up, but I seem to remember a storyline like this from the book, and they somehow persuaded the father that the baby was a 'throwback'...ie that there were black genes from a previous generation...?

shouldnthavesaid · 26/01/2014 23:14

Shalli I remember that too but can't remember if they covered it in series 1? I'm sure I remember it being Shelagh doing the delivery, the woman was with a man who was a bit older than her or something. He took the baby in pram to the clinic in the end didn't he, showing his acceptance?

BertieBottsJustGotMarried · 26/01/2014 23:26

No, there were two mixed race baby stories in the book, in one the father accepted the child as his own though he obviously wasn't, in the other (I think this one) the father came home and said get rid of her or I will, and the mother took the baby to the adoption home, but I don't think that it was fostered by the doctor or that anything was heard about whether a home was found. IIRC it said it would have been likely her name was changed as well so she wouldn't even have that which I thought was desperately sad :(

sandgrown · 26/01/2014 23:57

My aunt had a mixed race baby as a single parent in the fifties. She worked so hard to keep the baby and was disowned by some family members. I am full of admiration for her determination. Her baby was called Carole too so tonight's story had me in tears!

diddl · 27/01/2014 07:57

Yes with the other mixed race baby, I think they had been trying for years & I had the impression that her ONS was the only hope.

I thought that the guy in that scenario knew it wasn't his & they used the "throwback" as a cover story?

I suppose with last night's my sympathy for the woman was limited-especially knowing that she had access to condoms-although I guess her husband might have counted them?

That's not to minimise what she must have felt, of course-instant love for her baby, whereas the husband felt instant anger/revulsion at another man's baby.

So were adopters mainly white- no matter the race of the baby?

diddl · 27/01/2014 08:00

"I actually thought they were a bit harsh on the dad,"

What surprised me as well was that they didn't think that the mother needed a place of safety!

I know that she hadn't been threatened, but he'd called her a bitch & a whore, she'd admitted to a ons & he was known to be jealous & aggressive(?)

BertieBottsJustGotMarried · 27/01/2014 08:08

But in those days there were no refuges, divorce was frowned upon, they were trying to protect her by being harsh towards him. I don't think they were expecting him to accept the child (everyone seemed pretty resigned to the fact the baby had to go). Violence/aggression from husbands was seen as a cause for concern but not really anything they could do anything about IYSWIM.

She may have had access to condoms but I very much doubt she carried one in her handbag just in case.

BertieBottsJustGotMarried · 27/01/2014 08:10

I did think it was awfully sad how she was not protected - even when the husband lunged towards her, Jenny grabbed the baby and took her out of harm's way rather than get in between the man and the two of them.

I did think it was weird though when Sister Evangelina said "I'll call the police" - wouldn't the police have not interfered in those days with a domestic?

ShephardsDelight · 27/01/2014 09:06

I'm glad i saw diddl and girlfriends post i feel the same, when he found out i thought wheres his support?

ShephardsDelight · 27/01/2014 09:16

I expect in regards to diddls post people of that era probably assumed she had it coming. And had little sympathy.
,tbh in in todays world calling someone a bitch/slag/whore etc who deliberately betrayed you with an affair and deceived you for 9m months isn't overly unreasonable tbh, people are much more pc now but thats horrendous thing to do even if he was 'unpleasant'.

its a odd contrast to the other surprise black baby storyline in the previous series isn't it?

itsnotthateasy · 27/01/2014 10:54

Yea it was sad :( :(

I recall in the book another incident very similar . . . except that time the Husband took the baby on and by all accounts loved the child just like his others until the day he died . .He of course forgave his wife and if memory serves me well the babies half siblings loved the child as their sibling . .

I love the series, I think Miranda Hart is great as Chummy and I like the little blonde who seems to think she is the next Monroe :)

MarthasHarbour · 27/01/2014 12:27

itsnotthateasy there were two chapters 'Of Mixed Descent' (actually there might have been three). The example you give was one of them and last nights episode was another - i recognised it right away.

ppeatfruit · 27/01/2014 12:39

I thought the little boy playing the doc's son was so good it made me cry too, and can the doc and ex nun have their own baby or not?

diddl · 27/01/2014 12:42

"and can the doc and ex nun have their own baby or not?"

I don't think that we've been told one way or the other have we?

How old is she supposed to be?

AnneEyhtMeyer · 27/01/2014 12:43

They seem to be setting the doc and Shelagh up for fertility issues, don't they? They keep giving hints about how desperate she is to conceive.

ppeatfruit · 27/01/2014 12:51

WRF to Vidal Sassoon did anyone else notice the camera close up on an old newspaper being read by one of the expectant mums at the beginning of the very first scene? It had an article\or advert headed with the name Vidal Sassoon.

IMO Jenny made a very good 'sister' and she seemed less starchy. I remember My DM giving me a book by Dick Grantley Read and after having the L.O's laughing at the 'no pain' childbirth bit also the description of the labour pains coming slowly to start with. It would have made more sense to say that we're all different which of course we are. E,G. With my first they came every 5 mins from the start !!

JugglingFromHereToThere · 27/01/2014 12:53

Am so sorry for your loss Martha, but lovely to read what your DS1 said to you. That part must have been very poignant for you watching last night x

diddl · 27/01/2014 12:57

Yes, I think so Anne, what with her knitting & him saying "I'm sure we'll manage ourselves"(?) in reply to the son asking if baby Carole could stay with them.

In real life, the actors are 50 & 32 & he is married to Heidi Thomas (the creator of CTM!)

oadcb · 27/01/2014 13:18

So emotional. Love this programme!

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