Sherlock episode 2 thread!

[Allthingsprettyreturns]

Who is with me?

I can't imagine the writers doing the loss of the baby, so either Mary is faking symptoms for some reason and is prob a baddie, or she dies. Either way Watson would move back into Baker St as happens in the books.

And going back to Sherlock's self awareness - many, many people will have told him what they think of him! Plus he sounds like he's been diagnosed, so he would probably have read up on his Dx too.

Mary's father was not murdered. He died of a heart attack while arguing with Sholto (who then concealed his death, a neat kind of half-guilt, such as we have on the TV series, I think).

Moran had nothing to do with it; he killed Adair and attempted to kill Holmes on several occasions.

I don't think there is a reference to how Mary died. There are later references to a Mrs. Watson, but I think Conan Doyle might have just forgotten that he had already killed her off.

I would recommend seeking out the Sherlock panel from last year's Comic con to you all. It's with Mark Gatiss, Steven Moffet and Sue Verity. I can't link at the mo but its definitely on YouTube as I watched it a couple of weeks ago.

claraschu I am working from memory here so forgive me some of the details

He was responsible I think, in a way, for the death of her father hence his son was it? As her benefactor? There was another son who didn't want her to have any of the money, again if memory serves me correct.

They were sending her jewels every month or so (year?) because their father asked them to do so as he was racked with guilt about her father's death.

I am getting Moran and Sholto mixed up - this is Cpt Sholto NOT Moran as I said earlier. I agree, Moran doesn't feature anymore.

In the Empty House Watson made reference to the fact that Holmes knew of his recent bereavement, so it is clear that Mrs Watson was out of the picture, although Doyle forgets this as later on in the stories, there is another Mrs Watson.

He also got Mrs Hudson's name wrong at one point as well as John/James Watson (nice touch in first episode). You can tell his heart wasn't really in it towards the end, he was more focused on otherwordly things, unfortunately.

Surely Mary doesn't have to be faking symptoms- he said he tastes have changed as she didnt like the wine, her appetite is bigger, and she threw up.....maybe she picked the wine while stressed so didnt pay attention properly, threw up from nerves, and after the ceremony was more relaxed and got hungry? Maybe she's not a wrong'un, or pregnant?!

Upthread someone said she didnt do the one thing all mums do when they think they're PG....what did you mean? POAS? Tell her DP?!

Re: the womens' secrets... I think they had all signed a strict confidentiality agreement, as said above, but on their wonderful romantic dates with the good listener, blabbed about working for the recluse. As Mayfly man wanted, obviously, in his bid to find out a possible location for him. I guess he drew it out of them subtly. So then they must have felt bad for having blabbed and it would have been fresh in their minds. So when someone asked if they had a secret, they 'ran away'. Whether the secret, to their minds, was who they had worked for, or the fact that they had told, is irrelevant.

Also, until reading this thread, I thought Mary was on the level - but it's just occured to me, she sent the two of them out on a case, didn't she? Told John to do a bit of male bonding, and he and Sherlock went out. Leaving her alone in Baker Street. I wonder what she might have got up to, there?

happy I think she meant that she didn't put her hand on her stomach - not that we could see anyway.

You have a point though, she did make the point about the wine to Holmes and he must have been around when she was sick, so was she doing that for his benefit? Possibly.

I don't know if she'll be portrayed as bad or not but I do think that she knew Cpt Sholto, that he had something to do with the death of her father and that she is possibly in for a sticky end.

RedBeard - again the connection with the bank robbers at the beginning makes me think of the Red Headed League. Perhaps it's a Red Herring?

andimac it's never actually said the dates took place in London - Sherlock was talking to them online so they could be anywhere.

Not criticising you, just trying to help eliminate the little annoyances, I'm the same!

Maybe she is sick and not pregnant

Can't say I would take his word for it - I would definitely poas before getting excited!

I think it's more likely Mary will die next episode, based on Moffatt and that saying it will be a very dark episode, but I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up somehow being party of the blackmailer's scheme.

OrangePixie, true, they don't say, but when they are talking about the dates and Sherlock is looking at the I Dated a Ghost website, all the pinpoints are Central London on the map. Again, not conclusive, but pretty much what is indicated. But thanks for the help, I love to get my plot holes properly filled!
(That sounds much filthier than I meant it )

Ah yes, you're right, they did. Goddam it.

Psammead that's a good point. But how the hell did he get all 5 to blab on the date, I wonder?

I don't think any of the women actually blabbed to be honest. I think Mayfly knew they were the soldier's staff (how he found out, lord knows - maybe he knows the address but he is under tight security when at home so needs him to venture out of safety), and just wanted to wait for one of them to mention "how about meeting on saturday, my boss is out of town?" or something, and went from there. If they'd lied about who the boss was they might not have been suspicious.

OnTheBottom - my guess is that there were many more than five. I mean, the targetted employees would have all had to be female, single, within a reasonable age-range, would all have agreed to go on a date, in London, and of those not all would have blabbed, not all would have gone onto the weirdy ghost-dating website...

So those five were probably a very small number of possible targets. Many more would have rejected him, would not have talked, would not have followed the date up, would not have signed up to the site....

So Mayfly man would not have had a 100% success rate. To be honest, I find it a bit of a plot hole. He must have gone on/wanted to go on a hundred dates for the statistics to add up. And the one person who did tell him what he wanted just happened to be the one to approach Sherlock and be on the site. And why would the soldier need that amount of youngish female single staff over the last few years? It doesn't really add up logically. But I don't mind.

Elephants - he also needed him to be in dress uniform, remember? For his stabby thing to work.

Haha - stabby thing. Well quite. I'm not very clever and I was sitting there going "something really thin, like a razor, would have just put paid to that soldier 20 minutes ago".

Also I think it shows that the show is written exclusively by blokes (why IS that, again?) because I guarantee that if I was on a staff like that and I'd been on a weird date like that and another woman had too, we would know about it, have spoken to each other and a whole mob of us would have showed up at Baker St, making it pretty easy for Sherl.

I absolutely loved it. The orangery looked like the one in Holland Park but someone said it was somewhere in Bristol. All orangeries must look the same, ho hum!

He would have worn his uniform though wouldn't it? He got it on special commission as he says, for the wedding. That's why the wedding is central to the plot. It lured him out from his reclusive state and also made sure he was wearing his uniform with belt.

Mary is in on this. Mark my words.

Still puzzling over Red Beard.

But - why would Mary BOTHER? It's a lot of faff, working for someone and then MARRYING them, having unprotected sex etc, isn't it?

Watched it again last night after looking at this thread.

Mary looks very iffy when the telegram from Cam is read out.
And very iffy during the pregnancy thing.

She does Caroline, she looks iffy as soon as Sherlock says the message is from CAM.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Very very iffy...