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How to get a council house

260 replies

JazzAnnNonMouse · 01/08/2013 21:02

Who deserves it more?

Wtf what kind of country are we living in when we have to choose who deserves shelter and who should be homeless?!

Urgh

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Jux · 15/08/2013 22:52

I agree with Nadia. We need to get private rentals under control, and stop pussy footing around with buy to lets. Holiday homes force local people to share with parents well into their thirties. The whole thing's a mess.

ImNotBloody14 · 15/08/2013 22:55

is anyone watching tonight?

was that woman in the blue top having a dig when she said that it wasn't over and that woman would probably be back complaining she didn't like the house they'd found her? the woman who fled her home from DV after being attacked by her ex partner.

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/08/2013 23:17

dp and i watched tonight - think was last one

felt very sorry for the lady with 2 kids who had been attacked by partner - glad she was found somewhere tho not sure its fair to turn down a b&b

obv having kids in a b&b isnt great but better then nothing, tho she had her mums place to stay in so not homeless- but obv her partner knew where her mum lived

the cerebral palsy bloke was tough to watch, his dad couldnt cope any more and kicked him out but tbh if the poor sod couldnt even cross the road by his self, then how the hell can he look after his self Hmm

and :( when saw the studio flat and said he didnt want to live there alone - glad he was found a place with onsite carers

rent is weird, the studio flat i think was £200+ a week, and the 3 bed flat for abused woman and kids was less money - how the hell does that work?

lady who owes £14k in back rent - wtf, why do the council help people like this who take the piss, and are pissed, pouring cider/beer into a plastic bottle and swigging down the street/park - she wont ever pay her rent each week

hb should be paid straight to landlords not to tenants-sure more landlords would accept hb people if this happened

ImNotBloody14 · 15/08/2013 23:21

I am in NI and we have (as long as I've had experience with HB so 8 years) the option to either receive HB to our own account or go straight to LL. I actually didn't realise this wasn't the same in England and wales! it would solve a lot of rental arrear problems.

yes I was really upset for the young fella that didn't want to live on his own- glad he got somewhere he was happier.

Wingedharpy · 16/08/2013 03:16

I missed bits of this programme tonight so apologies if it was explained but :
why did the young man with cerebral palsy not have a wheelchair?
Watching his Dad carrying him about on his back was painful to see.

ImNotBloody14 - I didn't think blue top Supervisor woman was having a dig at the DV client but she was making the point to the Housing worker not to get too excited and think the case was finished as the client hadn't seen the accommodation at that point and maybe would turn down what was offered in which case it would be back to square 1.
Lovely to see DV client at the end though - delighted with her home and looking so much happier.

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/08/2013 06:49

And the bloke who they thought owned a house with ex wife and basically accused him of fraud - why didn't they check property deeds/land registry before talking to him?

I wondered why cp bloke didn't had a wheelchair or walking frame on wheels etc

Wannabestepfordwife · 16/08/2013 10:27

Last nights episode was heartbreaking!

Alex's dad should have been given more support so he hasn't ended up in that desperate situation! I really hope he and Alex are getting the support they both need.

I couldn't believe how selfish the landlords were not taking £2000 to house Naomi really hope she rebuilds her life.

ImNotBloody14 · 16/08/2013 11:07

"And the bloke who they thought owned a house with ex wife and basically accused him of fraud - why didn't they check property deeds/land registry before talking to him?"

yes!! that annoyed me too. she reeled off the whole "it is against the law to attempt to obtain blah blah blah" in such a horrible tone and then when she found out it was a mistake she said "i'm sorry if you feel you've been accused in the wrong"

erm, no dear! you apologise for accusing him in the wrong- he wouldn't feel wrongly accused if you hadn't done it. I hate when people say "i'm sorry if you feel.." it's not an apology.

ImNotBloody14 · 16/08/2013 11:10

I agree about the LL- how could it have cost £2500 to make his already available house ready to let to her? he would be getting rent from it aswell. I can understand if it was £2500 upfront that meant her rent was paid for 4/5 months and he had that assurance but £2500 just because she was coming through the council office! pure greed.

Wannabestepfordwife · 16/08/2013 11:21

I was really shocked by it when posters on mn have said how ll's take advantage of councils when people need emergency housing I thought they were exaggerating but I'm really saddend to see its the truth

jchocchip · 16/08/2013 11:24

I saw this. Thought it made some interesting points. Cp dad seemed to be making a cry for help felt they should have a social worker batting for them for supported housing/ support workers.

janesnowdon1 · 16/08/2013 11:26

I think we don't know enough backstory to make a judgement in most of the cases and are manipulated by the editing. For example - I felt desperately sorry for the alcoholic lady but then the editors left the information about her owing £14k arrears until the end. Why was her rent not taken at source?I still feel though as a human being she and her partner should be given support and be able to live together.

Also the guy who may have owned aproperty with his ex. They refereed to his ex as his wife - if they were not divorced then he did in effect have a claim on her property (this happened my friend - she got 6 months emergency HB help until she could get an order to sell the house which was in her husbands name). Also usually if rent is being paid on a flat continually (from whatever source)it is rare for the HA to check on the tenancy and he could have got it transferred to his name after the split - it did not add up.

I was also shocked at the lack of support the man with cerebal palsy seemed to be receiving - felt there was real poverty there.

ImNotBloody14 · 16/08/2013 11:35

"I still feel though as a human being she and her partner should be given support and be able to live together. "

yes I also wondered why they wouldn't treat them as a joint case? surely it would mean having only to find one BnB room or hostel room, freeing up another?

unless it was to do with their alcohol dependency and maybe the council have a policy of not housing alcoholics together? which is undertstandable tbh.

Wannabestepfordwife · 16/08/2013 12:20

I'm still slightly confused as to why in the previous episode they were demolishing social housing for private builds when there is such a shortage of sh.

I'm also slightly confused as to why the problem is worse in tower hamlets than the rest of London.

I know I probably being a bit thick.

ImNotBloody14 · 16/08/2013 12:36

I think we must be quite lucky where I am as in the past two years there have been 2 or 3 developments of new council houses built in my town. not massive estates but 20/25 houses each time which is all a help. there are plans for more aswell.

I also cant understand why they would demolish SH to build private homes.

creighton · 16/08/2013 13:43

they knock down old social housing because
-it has reached the end of its useful life
-the council needs more property of different sizes, i.e. family sized property rather than studios or 1 bed flats
-they build homes that people will want

the private property element is because councils do not have the funding to build new council estates even if they are needed. the government does not easily give money to build so local authorities have to work with private developers to build flats that will be sold at a profit which will cover the cost of building new social housing.

it will also give mixed communities so that you don't get 'ghettoes' of the poor, disabled, unemployed, marginalised. a mixed estate will have a range of people who are 'invested' in the area.

the situation in tower hamlets is fraught because the borough is poor, despite being next to the 'city'. however, practically every london borough has huge lists of people with the same problems that need to be dealt with.

the housing manager, after years of experience, is probably a bit cynical when people come in for help as they often get snotty about the kind of accommodation they are offered after they have said that they are 'desperate'. people sometimes have homes elsewhere when they fetch up in tears at the housing office, so her apparent lack of empathy is understandable.

you need to work in housing to understand the lies that fall effortlessly from some people's mouths. the manager has to ensure that the right people get help, not the chancers.

Wannabestepfordwife · 16/08/2013 15:04

Thank you for the explanation creighton it makes a lot more sense to me now!

I thought the staff were on the whole brilliant Antonia seemed to genuinely care about Naomi's situation and the man dealing with Lisa went above and beyond.

One thing I will never understand though is why la's were encouraged to invest in foreign banks rather than invest in social housing which would have been a safer investment IMO.

EeTraceyluv · 16/08/2013 16:45

yes I also wondered why they wouldn't treat them as a joint case? surely it would mean having only to find one BnB room or hostel room, freeing up another?

There could have been many reasons - he may not have had a strong enough local connection for permanent housing, could have anti social/alcohol/etc issues which meant they couldn't be together.
It was awful that she owed so much back rent but anyone with half a brain could see she needed proper intervention - not just 'get yourself some help' She clearly couldn't just do that!

ImNotBloody14 · 16/08/2013 17:17

yes I agree EeTraceyluv she needed more help than that- but then we don't know how much has already been offered or what other agencies she is involved with. she could be refusing the help offered.

EeTraceyluv · 16/08/2013 18:37

true.

creighton · 16/08/2013 21:57

I don't think you can easily turn a profit on social housing whereas you can with bank investments. a house once built ought to stand for 50 years. you can buy and sell bank shares/investments in a year or less if you wanted to.

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/08/2013 22:00

It seems to me that more studio flats/one bedroom flats are needed to be built

Then can downsize those who need it and then leaving 2/3 Bed room houses / flats for those with children still at home

jchocchip · 17/08/2013 05:18

Someone is making a lot of money out of housing benefit and it is not the local authorities. And the las just have the duty to accommodate without the means to build council housing. I blame margaret thatcher and the right to buy which decimated council housing. And the miras engineered boom that put thousands in -ve equity. And laid the foundation for the extreme housing situation we have today...

creighton · 17/08/2013 09:58

they will not build studios anymore. private developers might build them for sale but they are not seen as acceptable social housing any more.

Wannabestepfordwife · 17/08/2013 10:37

I don't think thatcher can be soley to blame she hasn't been in power for over 20 years so successive governments have had time to try to rectify the problem