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The White Queen

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ShadeofViolet · 16/06/2013 17:06

Anyone else ridiculously excited?

I know Philippa Gregory's books tend to be a bit Barbara Cartland in places, and I hope the BBC havent increased it, but I still cannot wait to watch it.

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EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 04/08/2013 22:19

Oh yes PG must have had work done.
Were they taking Jane Shore to the scaffold at the end there? I thought she did ok in the end?

MaryMotherOfCheeses · 04/08/2013 22:22

Did you see the power cables on the wall of the tower below the Princes' window?

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 04/08/2013 22:26

And why is she wearing a hoody? Seems quite incongruous.

SterlingCooperDraperPryce · 04/08/2013 22:31

was that bloke who went to see elizabeth in sanctuary to get her other son, him out of dr who?

SterlingCooperDraperPryce · 04/08/2013 22:32

wow, that was a badly constructed sentence!

SelectAUserName · 04/08/2013 22:41

Ehric Jane Shore was carrying out public penance. She wasn't executed.

Trigglesx · 04/08/2013 22:46

yes Sterling - Buckingham is Arthur Darvill, Rory from Doctor Who

AgnesBligg · 04/08/2013 23:27

Hmm about this episode.

Nasty wifey Anne and frightful mother Cecily persuade naice Richard to do evil doings to steal the crown?

And I thought the tower boys had the royal apartment to live in at t'tower and were allowed out to play in the grounds?

I don't believe this epi I'm afraid. Richard was known to be smart, surely he wouldn't be so easily influenced by these floosies?

yay for rory!

Trigglesx · 04/08/2013 23:29

Yes, they certainly made Anne out to be an opportunist, although who knows, she could have been, there's certainly not much info out there about her, is there?

AgnesBligg · 04/08/2013 23:41

Without information why assume Anne as a baddie then?

Why is Cecily so keen to see Richard crowned rather than assume the role of protectorship of her actual heir to the throne grandson?

Why is Elizabeth so frightened of Richard? Very convoluted reasoning, dare I say slightly hysterical, here? She would have known his loyalty to his brother Edward and his desire to fulfil his dying wish not to mention Richard's motto 'I'm always loyal,me' or summat.

The girl's aren't looking so good with the plotting right now.

AgnesBligg · 04/08/2013 23:43

apostrophe! darnit.

2mummies · 04/08/2013 23:51

I'm very confused about the fact that Prince Richard (Edward and Elizabeth's youngest son) escaped and was replaced by the village boy. What happened to the prince? And all the paintings and stories about the princes in the tower, according to PG, one of them wasn't the prince at all. Can't see this mentioned anywhere else in the history books (quick scout through Google).

cornypepper · 04/08/2013 23:58

search for perkin warbeck as he claimed to be the younger prince

2mummies · 05/08/2013 00:06

Ooh thank you, will do.

diddl · 05/08/2013 07:34

"Why is Cecily so keen to see Richard crowned rather than assume the role of protectorship of her actual heir to the throne" - because she hated Elizabeth Woodville?

Gracelo · 05/08/2013 07:47

They are still her grandchildren though, it must be an all consuming hate to make a grandmother so callous towards her grandsons. Maybe there is just not enough time in the program to be a bit more subtle with Anne and Cecily.
It took me a while to recognize Rory. That must be one of the silliest hair styles Arthur Darvill ever had.

diddl · 05/08/2013 08:06

I suppose it depends if she thinks that they have been "tainted" by their mothers blood? Plus Anne is related to her-so perhaps she would rather their descendants reign?

TunipTheVegedude · 05/08/2013 08:16

I'm a bit disappointed Richard isn't the new Dr Who.

Gracelo · 05/08/2013 08:27

I suppose it is also quite difficult in a time when having backed the wrong side can cost you your head very quickly to be too concerned about your grandmotherly feelings.
Was all this wrapping up of young Richard when he was taken to the Tower meant to imply that he wasn't the real Richard (son of Edward IV, I mean, too many Richards in this story). Wouldn't Stanley have realized it wasn't the real prince?

orangeandemons · 05/08/2013 08:31

God I love Richard, so brooding and dark...and lovely

BillStickersIsInnocent · 05/08/2013 08:32

I'm really enjoying it still - it's inspired me to find out about this period. I knew next to nothing about it before.

Richard would make a good doctor who. When he was cuddling Anne in the night by the window he looked a man possessed.

Gracelo · 05/08/2013 08:33

He is my favourite of all of the male cast as well Smile

Trigglesx · 05/08/2013 08:52

it is odd. I have always wondered if Richard III was really responsible for the death of the princes in the tower. He was better off with them alive, at least for awhile, and it would have been far simpler to have them killed and put out the story that they'd died of a fever. He'd have had the bodies and that would have been that.

The fact that they disappeared implies to me that it was someone that wanted Richard to be blamed and give him no way to fix the situation. Makes more sense that Buckingham and Margaret Beaufort had a hand in it - they both had motive and access.

As to whether or not Perkin Warbeck was really Richard of York, I don't know. History says no, but then it was written after the fact and written by those supportive of Tudors, was it not? I find it hard to believe that Elizabeth Woodville, with all her cleverness, would simply hand over her son Richard to Richard III when she already thought her son Edward was in danger. And in that day and age, sending a servant boy into danger wouldn't be a huge concern to her, as long as her son was safe IMO.

I suppose PG is right - to a bunch of middle aged men, one small boy looks much like another - as long as she got a boy that looked similar to her son, it wouldn't have been noticed. And there were no photographs for comparison - the smaller boy probably spent much of his time with his sisters with servants watching over him, rather than out and about with the adults. So I wonder how often he was even seen by the men to know what he looked like.

AgnesBligg · 05/08/2013 08:57

Peter capaldi has saved me from an unseemly obsession with Dr Who had Richard got the role. Blush Grin

I think the show is such a whizz through the actual events that some of the motives and over-riding desires of the protagonists can be muddling. I watched Philippa Gregory's 2nd documentary again and that makes more sense of it all. According to that Anne felt born - destined even to be Queen, so no wonder she was a bit pushy.

Trigglesx · 05/08/2013 09:07

Yes, everything I've ever read about her implied she was a bit of a victim - at the mercy of everyone around her. But she was Warwick's daughter and grew up being told she could be queen, I suppose that has to stick at some point.