16 kids and counting tonight at 9

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I will be watching after I have done some work!

At least with the saleems noreen was the sensible one and did not want any more kids, no such luck with te Radfords tey are both as bad as each ther

They need therapy not more children, tey are obviously addicted and are filling a GAO. They need more Chidren like they need a hole in the head and need professional help to realise this

They do seem like a lovely family but I can't help feel that they are being selfish by wanting more children and the older daughter has a baby too ! I wonder if mum and dad were pleased about that ?

Molly - I remember that programme, Mrs Salim was really ill during her last pregnancy and the mw who visited her basically told him that all these pregnancies were having a terrible toll on her health and he just poopooed her. Imagine having that little respect for your wife

Mr salim just sounds awful very immature and very little respect for his wife

I wish I had seen the original programme with the Salims. It sounds like it would be interesting, and probably showed Mr S in a more realistic light. Not that he came out amazingly well last night.

I was interesting with the Radfors that although you could tell the older kids helped out it wasn't shown to be that way, like the Duggers are so clearly proud of. Noel and Sue were filmed to look like they did it all.

I also wonder how you get time to help them all with reading and spellings etc.

I felt the whole programme was staged.

The working family had the nice house, the nice kids, organised, etc etc
The unemployed family, lived in chaos, kids ran a mock, father was lazy good for nothing.

Why couldnt they have showed an unemployed family with a tidy home and nice kids.

I felt sorry for the salmi family they have been sold out, I don't believe they would have agreed to this show if the had realised how they would be portrayed.

The other family I feel we're portrayed as too perfect, no way with all those kids can things run that smoothly and everyone be that perfect, helpfully, hardworking.

All very staged

I agree with you there good there was absolutely nothing to show a loving family with the salims yet the tad fords had that mass christening. The eid celebrations weren't filmed the same way when that would have been a huge big family deal too. There must be more controversial goings on with the other family too that were never shown

I just feel it was edited to make one poor unemployed family look bad and one working family look good.
The tad fords seemed very set up, everything wonderfull bit like the diggers, where on closer inspection older kids were raising younger kids, kids weren't getting the attention they needed.

To me the salons showed a more realistic view of large families, the chaos, the mess, the stress, the downtrodden mother. But they interacted with each other, the kids were more like kids.

Not sure the portrayal of either family was honest or accurate

Omg I should proof read
The duggers not diggers
Salims not salons

I think mrs salims ambition for a bedroom each and private schools was probably not out of the question when she left her whole family behind to come to the uk for her arranged marriage. He probably looked a good prospect on paper.

Lots of my friends parents were similar situations, had two kids, small house, middle management job. I feel for the poor woman (or girl she was 16 after all).

I completely agree, Goodtalkingto. Much, much, much was made of the Radfords and their 'we're not on benefits'. Bullshit! Either they're getting tax credits or the man, being self-employed, is paying FA tax because otherwise it just doesn't add up.

And yy, seemed very staged and 'perfect', but then you hear the kids throwing out liners like they'll just have another baby and not even notice I've left. The Duggers, well, their 'buddy' system of fobbing off each baby on one of the children and the older ones basically bringing that child up says it all.

There is no way one person can do it all. Even in times past, my grandfather was one of 15 who lived to adulthood. Those parents did not have time to devote attention to all those kids, even though they earned well, money was tight with so many children and as a result my grandmother spent a couple of years talking my grandfather round to having any kids at all, he was so put off. He was also one of the eldest children.

Good - I agree with you. Very stage managed and deliberately picked families. Seeing both sets of kids made me sad. Neither set looked like all their emotional needs were being met. Also, where and how and when do the parents find the time to have so much sex?? Every time we try and get away from our tiny family one the kids needs a wee/ poo/ snack/ question answered/ lost toy!

Minor point I know but if Noel is a baker, why was he using supermarket white sliced for the (mahoosive pile of) sandwiches?!

there is a reason that the pill was such a huge factor for social change.

it is not good to have so many children. it is not good for the health of the woman and it is not good for the welfare of the children.

I'm sure the younger one's in the Radcliff family go to Nursery 3 mornings a week and once the youngest goes, Sue then goes and works in the bakery with Noel. I think her mum often helps out too.

Mr Salim... He's been on something else where he made it plain he didn't want to work and was told off for being too fussy!

I thought that spare

Imagine that the cheapy-cheap white sliced from supermarket is cheaper than a bakers loaf, even if you've made it yourself.

I just keep coming back to the look on Mrs S face. She looked so downtrodden.

Mr Salim seems unusual for a Muslim man (in my experience). As his wife said its shameful that he doesn't work. I wonder if any of the older children work? Most of the Muslims I know would never get in to debt and work their backsides off, including having more than one job. A big house and private school probably would have seemed not too ridiculous when she married a well educated man at a young age. I felt very sorry for her.

At least mrs Salim is taking responsibility unlike her husband. I really do feel fr her she looks so worn out and sad. As for te Radfords tey really need to put a plug in it and focus on the Children that they have, as I seriously doubt tat they are getting much indivdual time with their parents. I Understand on the first programme one of the children said that they would not notice if he moved out, that was very sad and telling.

They went out for the weekend and left a 18 year old in charge of 14 kids, I understand the younger two were with their grandparents. That is irresponsible, what if there was a fire or emergency! That is a lot to place on a young woman shoulders, I would not be able to relax. Why dident te grandparents stay in the house.

I did find it a bit off that they left most of the children at home with only an 18 year old in charge. I'm sure they would like more couple time, what parents wouldn't, but surely that's something you have to sacrifice when you are unable to stop procreating.

Did anyone else notice this was one of the programmes people were shown watching on Gogglebox last night. There were plenty of comments about the Radfords, quite positive about their coping and the usual 'OMG can you imagine' kind of thing, but no comments shown about the Salims. Maybe they felt the comments were too critical to show but it felt like a very obvious omission

"Also, where and how and when do the parents find the time to have so much sex??"

If I took the door handle off DDs bedroom door and locked her in there all evening/night, and "sleep trained" the baby from a very young age too, I'ld also have lots of time for sex.... but it'ld be safe sex cause if you don't like cuddling/comforting your kids and small babies then you'ld be happier child-free!