DOCTOR WHO Xmas special - the Snowmen!

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How many days until who-mas? Very excited!

The snowmen look creepy, Clara looks clever and kind of like someone we've already met (yeah, write your way out of that one Moffat!) Madame vastra! Jenny! A doctor who is so tired of losing his friends... And something in the snow.

ffs

Clara

Apparently there are 1224 anagrams of Clara Oswin

Clara's birthdate is 23rd November

I am currently going with multiple fragments of Clara scattered through time, either because she's the doctor and Rivers daughter (eww at the kiss, however it's not as if he was into it and his mother-in-law tried to snog him, but still, that would give Moffat big issues...) & River hid her (speculation of Rivers pregnancy in 'the impossible astronaut') or a rebooted river downloaded from the libraries computer or a pre Mels regeneration of River as it's never really been specified as to baby melody pond >>???>> girl who regenerated in New York >>>???>>>Mels>>>River. I reckon there are at least two regenerations between baby melody >river that we're not party to. Clara sounds like River ('you clever boy') but hat might just be Moffats inability to write anything other than feisty-flirty for his female characters.

I love her DOB.

I don't think it's a version of River/Melody Pond because:

1. The kiss - relationships are all a bit too close for Clara to be a relative.
2. Clara's iterations of herself through time are essentially the same. Her replicant is more similar than when a Time Lord/Lady regenerates.

The relationship thing also make me wonder why the Doctor fails to engage with his spouses/ descendants (first companion was a DGC). Jenni (The Doctor's Daughter) is a clone of DT (and his real life missus) and so will have Time Lord capabilities.

I wonder if the Groundhog Day (2nd Feb btw) tendencies are a message or Time Lord glitch.

hmmmm.

Thinking about it more, I'm currently going with a rebooted river from the library computer, fragmented through time, when her 'casing' dies, she reboots into a 'flesh' casing. Lots of stuff about 'fixed points being rewritten' in the last series, I fully expect the doctor to save River at some point, I'm just not 100% sure how he does it yet.

I don't think the doctors daughter has strict timelord DNA, but my memory might be a bit off, did she die in the doctors daughter and if so, she would have regenerated into a new body?

She did die, and the Doctor thought she couldn't regenerate, but she did 'revive' - but in the same body, so not a 'classical' regeneration.

Ice 9, anyone?

Thanks rusty

Strax had all the best lines. We all howled with laughter. "Do not noogie me during combat prep!"

Doctor's daughter went off in a tiny space ship at the end of the episode. She did revive in the same body though, hmmmm.

What is Ice 9?

When Clara/Oswain was in the Dalek previously what was the story with her mum?

I think I need to see that ep again.

I loved Strax and his lines too - especially the way he goes for the most weapon-heavy, extreme solution to any problem. And dh is sure he spotted one of Strax's relatives as the butler at the Duneagle Estate in Downton - he did have a somewhat no-neck, potato-esque appearance.

Waves back to Snape. Actually I've been on this thread since the first day - I was just disguised as a partridge.....

Grenades!!!

Aah, maybe Clara is a partridge the plot worsens thickens! :)

Could she be like Captain Jack? He could time travel and he couldn't die either, right?

The difference between Jenni and Capt Jack is that they revive in the same body; Clara has died twice and has been reborn into duplicate incarnations.

Umm....I don't understand the difference Egg? (How the heck did I ever manage to follow six seasons of Lost?!)

Captain Jack was made immortal by Rose when she was a goddess inhabited by the TARDIS.

Clara/Oswin appears to be reincarnated in different generations but looking the same.

As far as we know just yet.

Jenni and Capt Jack die and are revived almost instantly in the same body. Clara lives a life and dies at the end of an adventures with the Doctor. It seemed to suggest she was buried and that her body disintegrates. It could be that her old body dies and a clone starts somewhere else. I don't know if she is reincarnated as a baby or if she lives up until she meets the Doctor. There seems to be a part of her that remembers him and has a greater understanding of the unfolding events.

jack knows he comes back to life and is always the same person when he does

clara, it seems, doesnt know she comes back as the same person, and is just living each life (as you do).

i cant wait to find out more. i hope im not disappointed. she intrigues me

I can't quite remember the hows or why's, but in an old Tom Baker episode, there is some sort of machine that scatters one of the villains through time, so he is living lots of lives in different times simultaneously. I wonder if that is what has happened with Clara for some reason?

I like to think she is his daughter. It seems a bit stupid that he is the last timelord, that the universe needs him to save itself millions of times, but he has not taken the opportunity of being married to a synthetic timelord to pop out a spare timelord in the event of his death.

I wonder if Susan escaped the time war?

Fancyanother - I think you're thinking of City of Death (because I was thinking of that one earlier). In that one, an alien's spaceship lands on Earth before Life begins. It explodes, and the explosion kickstarts the chemical reactions that start Life. It also splits the alien Jagaroth pilot into twelve identical pieces that are scattered through time. The pieces can communicate telepathically and they use their technical knowledge to advance human technology so that the piece in the 20th century can create a time machine to get back to his spaceship and prevent the explosion. The Doctor becomes aware of his time experiments and finds the 20th century piece of the Jagaroth in Paris and stops him preventing the explosion.

In that story, the Jagaroth were not in human form, they wore a human mask and skin, so each 'piece' looked identical - underneath they looked more like a nest of worms with a couple of eyeballs.

It's a vey good story - written by Douglas Adams and has a cameo appearance from John Cleese and Eleanor Bron as a couple of art experts.

erm....who's Susan?

Sorry, susan - doctors grand daughter.