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harrietthespook · 11/10/2011 22:20

Ladies....as we were?

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Northernlurker · 17/10/2011 22:14

i didn't find the wedding too heart rending but the going over the top and the teacup had me gripped.

SeveredHeadsDragonTheFloor · 17/10/2011 22:22

I think, for me, it's not so much the TV story but realising that it happened to real people. The number of young lives and loves lost or destroyed is heartbreaking. The end of Blackadder Goes Forth does me in too.

DrCoconut · 17/10/2011 22:54

SeveredHeads, I watched the dramatisation of Anne Frank's diary a couple of years or so ago. It was heartbreaking to see them all being taken away at the end knowing that although what we were actually seeing was just a film it did really happen and most of them died. And I'm not massively sentimental about TV either. So I completely see what you're saying about the realisation that these events were real.

AKMD · 18/10/2011 08:47

I was teary at the opening sequence too :( I just thought it was such a massive waste. And for what? The Kaiser/King/ArchDuke etc. were all related, couldn't they have sorted it out without sending off millions of men to die?

dapplegrey · 18/10/2011 08:52

I couldn't watch the scenes at the Front either - anything to do with that war is so harrowing.
"The war to end all wars" is what they said. But then 21 years later another one started.

I keep hoping Matthew will recover, but if he did I suppose JF would get so much stick for implausibility.

MarthasHarbour · 18/10/2011 09:26

i found the opening scenes 'goosebumpy' and very well portrayed Sad the end of Blackadder gets me too severedheads

i actually thought the teacup thing with Mary and Daisy was a little over contrived - one of them yes but both? Hmm

the one part that did have me wiping my eyes was when Isobel came in to see Matthew - his face lit up when he saw her. It is a mother and child thing i think (being the mother of a DS) I also struggled with the fact that William is my sons name, the whole thing when his mum died and this week when his dad was sat with him when he was dying Sad My DS is an only child too.

Bossybritches22 · 18/10/2011 10:12

The Isobel/Mathew reunion was wonderfully understated wasn't it?

I got the feeling he really wanted to shriek "mummmeeeeeee it hurts" & bawl like a 4 year old & she would have been quite happy just to cuddle him...but being stiff upper lip land it was all conveyed in one word ....."mother" Sad

Marvellous stuff!

diddl · 18/10/2011 10:28

I thought that the beginning & the Isobel/Matthew bit was great as well.

The "shivers" from Daisy & the tea cup from Mary-too contrived.

The wedding didn´t really get me either because Daisy didn´t love him-but I thought that Carson´s expression was great.

Also thought that the girl playing Daisy acted it really well.

Georgimama · 18/10/2011 10:28

I loved Isobel's little line to Mary as well, when she said something like "it was nothing" and Isobel said "it was the very opposite of nothing" or similar. DH and I spent the entire epsiode shrieking "marry her/him you idiot" at Matthew and Mary.

AKMD · 18/10/2011 10:32

I was hoping to see a tear in Thomas's eye at the wedding. None forthcoming but I like to believe he wasn't only there to make William feel like a muppet on his deathbed.

Georgimama DH is silent on pain of death. I might miss something! We're allowed to shout during the adverts though.

MarthasHarbour · 18/10/2011 10:33

bossybritches YY if that was me with DS i would have run in shouting 'my little boooyyyy i love you soooo much my likkle picklieness mwah mwah' i am glad it isnt just me Wink

diddl i too didnt weep at the wedding and i also think it was because Daisy didnt love him, but wasnt William wonderful - he wanted to make sure Daisy would get her War Widows pension and be looked after forever. And when she said it was dishonest he didnt understand what she really meant - but that was ok because he thought she didnt want to defraud the benefit system. It was all so well acted by both of them.

MarthasHarbour · 18/10/2011 10:35

georgiemama that line from Isobel summed up everything i thought - another clever line well said!

OK so this series is slow but JF does know how to convey the moment in just one or two words

Georgimama · 18/10/2011 10:35

I don't know - I think William had an inkling she had been railroaded a bit, he wanted to see her right though God bless him.

harrietthespook · 18/10/2011 10:52

Re Matty's willy: JF has always gotten away with implausibility before. I just hope it's not too terribly cringeworthy.

The actors were FAB in this episode. Love Thomas/Daisy, Mary and Edith both, Matthew, Isobel, Violet- honestly all. Any other actor spilling her teacup would have been ridiculous, so hard to carry off.

I really don't see the point of bringing that dead/undead heir back. There are enough interesting story lines to pursue w/o it.

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AKMD · 18/10/2011 10:58

I really fail to see why William ever thought Daisy was in love with him in the first place. A massive example of self-delusion really!

Biscuitsandtea · 18/10/2011 10:58

I think they left the door open for the spinal diagnosis to be wrong didn't they? Which could result in a recovery? Think the moustached doctor said it might have severed the spine, and if he was right then it was a no recovery situation?

Presumably there could be other recoverable spinal damage with the same symptoms even if the spinal chord wasn't severed?

AKMD · 18/10/2011 10:59

The key word is 'might'. Wide open!

MarthasHarbour · 18/10/2011 11:05

Biscuitsandtea hooraaahhh you have made my day, kept my hope alive that Matthews winky may be saved... [hgrin]

Biscuitsandtea · 18/10/2011 11:15

Well, it's something I've given a lot of though [hwink]

Biscuitsandtea · 18/10/2011 11:15

Thought, not though...

diddl · 18/10/2011 11:19

Is it possible to bruise your spine badly enough to lose feeling in your legs?

But if so-how long would that last?

VerityBrulee · 18/10/2011 11:37

DD is at home sick today, so I am re-watching the last couple of episodes. I LOVE the concert scene, brings a tear to my eye every time. How restrained of Mary to resist the implulse to run to Matthew when he appeared at the back of the room. He looks so handsome in his uniform, I was a bit non-plussed by him in the last series, but I'm rather more keen this series!

I am absolutely not countenancing the idea that Matthew will not recover and he and Mary will not live happily ever after, altough I presume she will suffer at the hands of the dasterdly Sir Richard in the meantime.

I find the war scenes very harrowing. My granddad fought in the Somme, he had shrapnel in his shoulder until he died aged 89. He rarely spoke about the experience as he found it so disstressing, but I remember him describing being in the trenches up to his knees in muddy water floating with dead rats. He was only 16 when he joined up (lied about his age). I have a 13 year old boy. It makes me well up to think about it Sad When I see war scenes I always picture my grandad there, so I try to aviod them!

I love Violet, but cannot understand why Sybil is not being plagued by the recovering officers, she is so stunning surely Branston is not the only one to be smitten.

MarthasHarbour · 18/10/2011 12:04

verity my great uncle and his twin brother lied about their ages too and they signed up at 15. It is astonishing when you think how young they were Sad

Bossybritches22 · 18/10/2011 12:06

As far as I remember some spinal injuries are very difficult to predict, even these days with posh whizzy scanners an' all. Bruising can take MONTHS to disperse & then feelings/function come back, damaged nerves can regrow but only something like 1mm per month so the will he/won't he recover storyline could go on for months...could be the big news in the Christmas special.

Po-faced Scottish doc is hardly a nerological expert, so a bit of prodding down Mathews back hardly makes a conclusive examination!

Just saying....Grin

"my ickle pickle" Martha....??? Love it!

LeBOOOf · 18/10/2011 12:09

Excellent point about Sybil. She should be beating them off with a shoehorn stick.