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Jamie's Dream School

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londonone · 02/03/2011 21:15

20 in a class
No curriculum
TV Cameras

And they still piss around! Maybe people will start to get a real idea about how perhaps some of the students are in fact not vitims but the architects of their own downfall!

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melezka · 02/03/2011 22:15

The boy with the graffiti was interesting. I see students all the time who cannot make any distinction between failing at a task and being a failure. They really have no resilience at all; it's a massive, massive problem and completely under-recognised.

mitochondria · 02/03/2011 22:16

Loved Robert Winston going at the pig with a saw.

Was cringing at Starkey's lesson.

And yes, why not take their phones off them for the day?

CaveMum · 02/03/2011 22:16
, the headmaster.
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londonone · 02/03/2011 22:16

SLT = Senior Leadership Team i.e Headteacher, Deputy Head Etc.

Wook - Prob because I am talking about something I actually know a lot about rather than just potificating as I normally do!

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londonone · 02/03/2011 22:18

mitochondria - because a lot of parents complain that their children need their phones to be safe!!!!

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CaveMum · 02/03/2011 22:19

He's on his soapbox here, but I think he has some very valid points.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 02/03/2011 22:20

Melezka - that's v sad; how do you think they got like that? Is it a problem with parenting or teaching?

foundwanting · 02/03/2011 22:21

Thanks, londonone.

mitochondria · 02/03/2011 22:21

london - I don't mean in real life, I mean for this programme.

My school haven't gone so far as to ban them, either, but they are not allowed to be used in lessons.

newgirl · 02/03/2011 22:23

I am shocked phones are allowed in school is this the same everywhere?

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londonone · 02/03/2011 22:24

A mixture of the two often. Early failure which is then compounded by the need to cover a packed curriculum rather than allow children to develop at their own pace. In some cases no support is given early on (preschool) to help the child achieve success and therefore they don't develop any resilience.

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londonone · 02/03/2011 22:26

Mitochondria - I am guessing if the phones were banned then a good proportion wouldn't turn up at all despite their desire to become a reality star turn their life around.

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expatinscotland · 02/03/2011 22:27

'I think Jamie is one of those people who started his career by being in the right place at the right time and his success is really down to luck.'

The man's dyslexia is so bad he had to dictate his earlier books. He is, by all accounts, a workaholic. He was working in a busy, well-known restaurant. You have to show some serious work ethic to make it in a kitchen like this.

Bollocks his success is really down to just luck.

I don't generally like some of his stuff, but he has a point in a lot of ways.

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londonone · 02/03/2011 22:27

Phones cause huge issues in many schools and it is utterly beyond me why schools don't ban them but it is also beyond me why a teacher should be expected to teach a student who has called them a whore. As I said some SLT have no balls whatsoever.

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mousebacon · 02/03/2011 22:28

This is so depressing. Watching on +1 now. Ugh.

No wonder they all failed; their attitude is appalling.

melezka · 02/03/2011 22:28

Well...there's a growing body of research looking at the way children are allowed fewer and fewer opportunities to test their limits, because of various fears for their safety(in all kinds of arenas) and because of litigation. In some cases the only limits they could properly experience were material ones - clay, wood, etc - i.e. if you go this far, this will break - but you can (or can't) fix it like this...and now we don't offer those experiences so much, if at all, in schools. Concerns over self esteem mean we try never to allow children to fail. And yet failing at some things gives children the opportunity to realise it's not the end of the road.

Obviously I'm not talking about constant failure; that doesn't work. But children, I think, need to come up against limits in order to break through them. Watch a baby trying to crawl or walk - failure makes them more determined.

Guacamole · 02/03/2011 22:29

melezka that's a very interesting point!

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 02/03/2011 22:32

that's v interesting Melezka, thanks.

PussinJimmyChoos · 02/03/2011 22:32

My sis is a teacher and she is furious over this programme. Thinks that these kids already had a chance in school and they buggered it up so it should be the kids that have done well, paid attention and made the effort that get rewarded by meeting the 'dream teachers' not a bunch of bloody wasters who really couldn't give a toss either way - I'm in total agreement

Petalouda · 02/03/2011 22:32

melezka well said.

londonone with your comments about SLT, do you work in my school?!

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londonone · 02/03/2011 22:34

LOL - Petalouda prob not as I cover several schools but I fear many schools are the same!

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pippitysqueakity · 02/03/2011 22:39

Yes, but the whole premise of this show is just misguided. TBH if I hear the word respect 1 more time...These children have no concept of real respect because they have been brought up to think it means, allow me to do/say what I want with no comeback. That is NOT respect.It is not their fault, it is not even as simple as being their parent's fault. It really has been a shift in society. Why? Where does this come from?
God, I'm depressed...

melezka · 02/03/2011 22:42

We have a list of human rights ratified by law but no concurrent list of human responsibilities. But they are - or maybe they should be, I'm not sure - the counterpoint each to the other,

eyeofhorus · 02/03/2011 22:43

Thought it was a really interesting programme. Jamie comes across as some wannabe social philanthropist, a bit like a modern-day william morris. Shame there aren't more like him.

I thought Winston was ace; science would be cool with him as a teacher.
The real head, John D'Abbro, used to be my former employer and he is a really cool guy, totally in tune with kids without patronising them, really up on rights, letting kids get their point across, the need for real discussion, and I suspect the 'glue' behind this series. I liked it - makes good viewing.

duchesse · 02/03/2011 22:44

Hear hear OP.

I daresay it's just a personality clash between little Johnny and his sleb teachers.