Eastenders Baby Death Storyline

[deemented]

Once again, no one can live happily ever after

Ronnie's baby James, dies and she puts his body in Kat and Alfies son's crib, and steals their baby boy, Tommy.

Why oh why oh why do scriptwriters insist on portraying bereaved parents - mothers especially - as mad and deranged??? Maybe it's because they can't begin to imagine how awful the death of a child is, but really, whilst we are mad with grief, it is our own child that we want back, not someone else's stolen child. When are scriptwriters ever going to understand that?

Still, it'll be a riveting watch, no doubt.

Yeah, she said she can't just give them out she needs to see the notes first. I wasn't in the mood to argue, I practically live there when I'm pregnant so decided to leave it till next time, I wanted to get out.

I know it sounds sad but I love my tear drop. It really means something to me to look at it there. Recognition of what I've been through I guess and it's a beautiful remembrance of our angels.

"Mrs Womack said: ?I think it?s best while I am dealing with legalities and stuff like that for me not to comment.? "

That's an interesting statemtnet!

"Last night it emerged that scriptwriters for the soap had been reluctant to take part in the storyline.

It is claimed some of the core team of 20 writers disagreed with the scenes, which were said to have been suggested by a handful of writers who do not have children."

"'There are plenty of people on the set who have children and they have been utterly shocked. But some of those pushing the storyline do not have children themselves and don?t seem to realise the effect it is having on people.? They added: ?Many felt they just can?t relate to how shocked parents are feeling.?"

What a bloody surprise that it is people who don't have kids

Probably some stupid 'we are so edgy and cool' writers who think they are so with it

How they got their way is beyond me - they should be sacked

The news today says that the writers are going to now conclude this by spring

This is their big cock up and unlike the danielle storyline, they are not going to get away with it

They were so cocky in their previous statements and SI condescending but it seems the penny has dropped and people power - and mumsnet power! - is winning through

Confuddled

I am sorry I do not know what a teardrop is x

And we're told people do not take Eastenders seriously and that we all know it is a soap and therefore not true. Well, this happened to Sam Womack

www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a296500/enders-fan-abuses-womack-over-baby-plot.html

and interesting info here about story

www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a296331/enders-baby-plot-to-be-cut-short.html

MsKLo , a teardrop is a sticker that is put on your notes if you have suffered the loss of a baby . The idea is that it is on the front and everyone who looks at your notes will spot it and be aware of your situation .

That is the idea anyway , in my reality hcp would either not notice it at all and still just ask generic questions which I would then have to tell them about my 14mth old son who had died . They would then look a bit uncomfortable , nod and then carry on with the questions . Not always but generally .

I think a lot of you moaners needs a reality check.

Eastenders is a fictional drama based on real life stories. In real life, babies die and people snatch them too. When these things happen it's very sad, but what good is a fictional program such as Eastenders if it doesn't include drama?

I'm sorry for anyone who has experienced such issues - really I am - but you have the choice to turn over.

I normally support Mumsnet when I hear articles on the radio but I think in this case you have got it very wrong indeed.

Jacobsdad79 "moaners" ffs read the posts and you will see that these "moaners" as you call them are bereaved parents.

Jacobsdad - have you read swallowedAfly 's post??!
I am fortunate never to have been affected by the tragedy of cot death or baby snatching but this story has angered me. As a loyal EE fan, I have now not watched since 30th Dec. I believe in this instance, the storyline is not entertaining or educational but highly offensive.

So we should never question anything in a soap Jacobsdad79? Because anything that these writers can concoct is bound to have happened somewhere in real life and as long as they make it 'dramatic' it's fair game? Is anything off-limits? We have no right to complain because we can always turn-over?

These 'moaners' that you refer to are bereaved parents. Have a bit of sensitivity please.

I have lost people close to me over the years but I don't jump on the bandwagon everytime a soap or drama shows a similar situation to mine.

People die - life's a bitch.

Still - Eastenders has done well out of this - their storyline is all over the press, the BBC have a great excuse to advertise their own program more and viewing figures have increased.

MummyZak What you are saying there is exactly why they have it wrong. If Ronnie had snatched the baby after breaking because of her trauma and it was because she has mentally broke then she would not grieve for her own baby because in a psychotic state she would either believe that it was a mistake and baby Tommy was James, in which case she would have lost her mind (which is what it would take) and believe 100% that Tommy was James if you have lost your mind in the way they depicted Ronnie by talking to Tommy like he was James it does not flick between insanity (believeing the baby is yours) and sanity understanding what you have done you stay insane as the sort of trauma Ronnie has experienced does not just switch on and off.

As I said earlier I have a lot of childhood trauma and I have a psychotic mental illness you would be more likely to find Ronnie sheltering her baby and refuses to accept his death. But if her mind broke the way they depicted that she believed baby Tommy was hers then it would not just flick and she would be displaying other major symtoms. It is not easy to hide that your mind has broke that far and you are pychotic and they are not showing any where near the level of symtoms someone who has broke and is pychotic would be.

Secondly a mother displaying signs of post natal depression and baby having a 20% weight loss what MW in their right mind would not look in to the matter. The baby would probably have been re-admitted. I am also very insulted by the suggestion that this is what people with mental health and abuse issues do, because just because most people dont understand us and dont know how it feels to be pychotic and mentally ill does not make us pychotic baby snatchers and unpredictable most people portray us in a ridiculous light because they just dont understand.

I am fed up of stereotyping that people like me are dangerous we are not a danger to you and constantly making out mentally ill people are dangerous is what means that people attack me when they discover my illness because the media portrays us that way.

I have known a woman (girl at the time) who had a cot death, did not react like the character of Kat or Ronnie at all. I know everyone reacts differently, but I felt both characters, Kat and Ronnie, not real to life.

The show also raises the question that if someone has a cot death, do they steal someone elses baby? and replace it with their own dead baby?

I cannot imagine this scenario. Although it has increased viewing figures for Eastenders, however distasteful/upsetting the storyline may be. Personally
I have stopped watching it. Too depressing.

Jacobsdad79 - how dare you.

Yes, "people die" and we all "lose people close to us"; fortunately few people have to endure the unbearable pain caused by the death of their child.

My baby died in my arms after I had to give permission for his life support to be turned off.

Believe me, you can't even begin to imagine what that's like. If you could you wouldn?t make such vile, ill-informed and insensitive comments.

I hope that neither you nor anyone you care about ever has to suffer what bereaved parents do.

Your comments are a disgrace.

don't let a one time poster wind you up, just report or ignore the troll

Morning.

The DM are actually on our side with this, not sure if you've seen this yet.

here

And I have finally had a response from the BBC. Same shit as everyone else has got.

I really think we need to keep going on this and not let it go just because we have had replies?

2shoes - while I agree with most of what is said on this thread and can see how blunt a response like Jacobsdad79 may seem, especially to people who have went through the agony of losing a child, I dont necessarily think labeling someone a troll - just because their opinion differs from the majority helpful.

People can have a different view on these matters - its called having an opinion, and this is a message board for expressing opinions? Why should someone be reported because you dont agree with their opinion, Im a bit lost here.

TW, I was going to explain separately lol. Sorry it didn?t work for you though :( I think they need to put them on the child?s file in the case of twins too as I know a doctor who said to a little girl ?So I see you?re a twin!? because her notes still said ?Twin 1? only ?Twin 2? suffered a cot death and she didn?t know!!!

?a reality check.?

Checks patient notes

I think anyone joining the thread now to post their opinions should have the courage and the decency to read the whole thing first, not just make glib statements about things that have been covered at least 5, 6, 7 times already.

If you can't read the thread and understand what is written then why should your views even be considered worthy of anyone's attention?

And I'm not looking at anyone, not even the troll :)

Well done to everyone here who has made so much effort to get their voices heard :)

Exactly Tigerseye

I should imagine that because MN has been in the media over the last day or so, there has been an increase in 'new' members and namechangers, purely to have their say against what we are complaining about.

Travellingwilbury
I am so sorry for your loss

And as for Jacobsdad I cannot even begin to find the words for your disgusting and insensitive posts