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TwinSetAndPearls · 15/09/2005 21:25

How outrageous was that first bloke, moaning about other cultures taking over England when he has moved to Spain to turn part of that into Little England!

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Ericblack · 15/09/2005 22:56

This is my husband's fault for saying he was too tired to grout. I spent over an hour trying to persuade him and could have been watching.

edam · 15/09/2005 22:57

I really hope Neil's OK - his story was so tragic last time and they trailed next week's episode with 'find out how Neil's doing'. I hope that means it's good news.

Wasn't it the founder of the Jesuits who said 'give me a child until he is seven and I'll show you the man'?

wartybosoms · 15/09/2005 22:58

one would hope some seven year olds will grow in more ways than one!

edam · 15/09/2005 23:00

I think Tony the cabbie isn't being racist, necessarily - I think he feels that he's lost the place he came from because it's changed so dramatically. The woman who is now in Scotland - the bolshy one - also comes from the East End and made the same point, but more tactfully. It's the way my beloved aunt felt when yuppies moved into Fulham and returned a Tory MP - "oi, you, stop taking over my manor" kind of thing.

moondog · 15/09/2005 23:01

Please put me out of my misery...how did the last lad end up in Australia???

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wartybosoms · 15/09/2005 23:02

I agree edam - the East End had a real identity and so I suppose its sad for people to see it change - some like change, some don't

wartybosoms · 15/09/2005 23:02

I told you moondog - he's got two kids, grandkids and he's very happy - runs marathons

tamum · 15/09/2005 23:05

I liked it too. Moondog, he was in the children's home because his parents had split up, but then his dad remarried and moved to Australia and took him with them.

Edam, there was an article in the paper about Neil last weekend. Don't worry too much

moondog · 15/09/2005 23:07

Warty,I meant how he suddenly got too Australia-only bit I missed!(Do I detect a whiff of irritation? )

Thanks Tamum...curiosity satisfied.

puddle · 15/09/2005 23:07

I thought it was great - it's such a moving programme.

I agree with you edam about Tony - I thought he was really trying to choose his words carefully and came across just as sad that the place he grew up in is so different now. I also thought the intelligence of the scottish woman shone out in every clip - I think she is missing something if she thinks the programme portrayed her as anything other than very very bright and articulate.

I was most moved by Bruce actually 'my heart's desire is to see my daddy' and then seeing him with his own children was lovely.

And seeing them all at ease with themselves as they get older too. Looking forward to next week

puddle · 15/09/2005 23:09

Those clips of Bruce at 7 in his prep school. Made me want to weep. How can people send children away at that age (or ever)

Janh · 15/09/2005 23:09

damndamndamndamn, missed it, video anyone? or repeat details? (pref not before 10.30pm Wed-Fri)

Janh · 15/09/2005 23:10

edam, I'm pretty sure that Jesuit quote was the trigger for the programme - isn't it spoken in the voiceover at the start? (or was in 7up)

tamum · 15/09/2005 23:12

I think so too, Janh. I can hear it being said in a v. posh voice which suggests it was the first one. Didn't video it, sorry, but the next one is on next week.

I wanted Bruce to have children of his own so desperately last time, I'm really pleased he's got his little boys now.

Ericblack · 15/09/2005 23:15

Puddle - Absolutely. Sending your kids away can't be right.

Janh · 15/09/2005 23:26

I will miss next week's too, tamum, but will try to remember to ask DH to vid (forgot today )

I have loved this programme for such a long time - fond memories of "say you don't like cabbage, well, I don't like cabbage, but if your wife cooked it you'd have to eat it!" - as a reason for not getting married, in tones of highest dudgeon, from the lad in the children's home. Also little sweet Neil skipping along the pavement. I bet 7-yr-old boys don't skip home these days!

princesspeahead · 15/09/2005 23:30

I used to work with one of the 7 up children. except he was a stout and extremely dull 40 yr old when I knew him. He refused to do the 42 program but I think I read that he did do the 49 one, I must see if I can catch a repeat...

Blu · 15/09/2005 23:31

I thougt it was brilliant that all the women looked better at 49 than they had at 35.

Heathcliffscathy · 15/09/2005 23:33

i thought they all looked better at 49 blu!

dh and i both found it v moving prog.

edam · 15/09/2005 23:35

Janh, I was referring to Sobernow's question 'whoever it was who said...' trying to identify the source and have a vague memory it was the Jesuits.

Janh · 16/09/2005 00:05

Oh I see, sorry, edam, lol!

(I hadn't seen sobernow's post having scrolled through a bit too fast )

manbuyingyourhouse · 16/09/2005 12:17

"
TV and Radio

September 16, 2005

Times2

Last night's TV: Mixed feelings at the family reunion
Ian Johns

EVERY SEVEN years they come along, stay for a few days and ask you lots of personal questions.

No, it?s not the parents visiting again. It?s Michael Apted and his crew playing catch-up with the people they first interviewed as seven-year-olds in 1964. 49 Up (ITV1) is the latest progress report. If the project were not a continuing series of time capsules, it would deserve one of its own, but will the Blue Peter garden still be there in which to bury it when the series reaches its natural conclusion?

The voiceover in a clip from the original 7 Up wondered who would become ?the shop steward and the executive of the year 2000?. This reflected the programme?s desire to test class-bound assumptions by tracing the lives of working-class and upper middle-class children. But the series?s close-up on the personal has sometimes made this series more soap opera than social history. After the dramatic rapids of adolescence, we entered the less contrasting waters of marriage, the workaday world, the deaths of parents and balancing the joys and woes of nurturing teenage children. The series seemed more the television equivalent of catching up with old friends or news at a family reunion.

But like any family drama, the emotional stakes get higher as the characters get older and take on more responsibility and with 49 Up we are getting the sense of a changing Britain. There are now shared parental worries that today?s world is a tougher place for kids faced with drink, drugs and less chances of social mobility. Tony, the London cabbie who has overcome marital difficulties to own a second home in Spain, now sees his role as being ?the backbone for our kids?.

He also regrets how his childhood East End had changed with ?other cultures buying all my own tradition up?. And the maths teacher Bruce, an idealist even at seven, who had taught in the East End and Bangladesh, admits that he had been ?worn down? by inner-city teaching. He?s now a master at an independent school in St Albans. ?Dreams go as everyday life takes over,? he remarked wistfully.

Even more interesting is how 49 Up reflects our media-savvy times. Jackie, last seen struggling to raise three boys and staving off rheumatoid arthritis, questioned Apted about his portrayal of her over the years. She made it clear that she was being interviewed on her terms: ?This series may be the first one that?s about us rather than about your perception of us.?

A project originally designed to follow the natural course of people?s lives is now a tangible part of them. For Suzy, this scrutiny remains torture ? she stills refers to her ?privileged childhood? like an apology ? and she intimated that she?ll bow out. Just imagine if the series had started in the Big Brother era of camera-hungry show-offs ? they would be begging for Apted to return within a month, not seven years. The update on Neil, who eventually pulled back from the brink of destitution, is inevitably being saved for next week. Nowadays even a project such as the 7 Up series needs to turn its subjects into a dramatic tease. "

manbuyingyourhouse · 16/09/2005 12:17

and link{http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14934-1772769,00.html\havent read this but ams aving for later}

manbuyingyourhouse · 16/09/2005 12:18

havent read this yet