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15yo son has moved in with Dad & Nana after years of undermining, boundary issues, and constant conflict. I’m heartbroken and questioning everything.

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EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 02:53

TLDR: Single mum to a 15yo. Dad and Nana have consistently undermined my parenting for years. Son has grown increasingly disrespectful and selfish, refuses basic boundaries, and sees me as the “problem”. A fight over attending a rare family meal (vs football) was the final straw. He’s now chosen to live with Dad and Nana unless I apologise. I’m exhausted, ill, heartbroken, and questioning whether I did the right thing.

There’s a lot to cover in the post so it is going to be so long. If you stick around and read it all, thank you.

Background
• My son is 15.
• His dad and I split when he was under 1.
• We’ve had a roughly 50/50 arrangement, but always built around his dad’s shift pattern, meaning:
• Dad never has him while working only on his days off.
• I’ve always carried the day-to-day responsibility.
• Dad moved back in with his parents after we split.
• Nana (his dads mum) has been heavily involved since day one:
• Doing GP, dentist, school stuff on the days my sons with them.
• Essentially a third parent doing the things Dad should’ve done but didn’t.

I’ve always been grateful for her help, especially when I’ve been seriously ill. But that gratitude has also made it very hard to stand my ground when boundaries were ignored.

Ongoing Issues With Dad & Nana

This has been happening for years, not months.

Undermining from the start
• Dummies, potty training, routines — undone every time he stayed there.
• Nana openly ignores rules and justifies it as “that’s what grandparents do”.
• But this isn’t occasional babysitting. She’s effectively co-parenting.

Food & health
• I tried hard to encourage a balanced diet.
• Dad and Nana accused me of “forcing” food if I added veg or lettuce. I shouldn’t feed him stuff he doesn’t like (he’s a kid of course fruit and veg isn’t gonna be his first choice!)
• Son then repeated their words back to me.

Discipline never sticks
• If I removed phone/Xbox or grounded him:
• Dad would agree… briefly.
• Within days, rules vanished.
• He’d be back on his phone behind my back.

School & money
• Poor school reports — I made plans, Dad said he’d help, then didn’t.
• Son is awful with money.
• We agreed on a card limit. Dad & Nana ignored it within a month.
• I eventually stopped pocket money unless it’s earned.

Girlfriend & Boundaries
• Girlfriend stays over constantly.
• I had open, responsible conversations about sex and contraception.
• But I was repeatedly woken up hearing them having sex.
• After the fourth time, I put my foot down and said no more sleepovers.
• Grounded him and told Dad & Nana exactly why.

It didn’t last. Nothing ever does.

My Health & Stress Context (Important)

In the last 18 months:
• 4 months in hospital in 2024.
• Major surgery July 2025, ended up in ITU.
• Long-term illness (including lupus).
• Relationship eith my ex BF (not his Dad) ended while I was still hospitalised.
• Client went insolvent owing me thousands.
• Took on two extra jobs to recover financially.
• Still tried my absolute best to give my son a good Christmas.

I’m not parenting from a place of ease or support. I’m surviving.

The Argument That Broke Everything

I asked my son if he was free on a certain date because:
• My aunt and extended family (who live far away) were visiting.
• We were booking a family meal.

He said he could “70% come” unless football fixtures came out and there was a home game.

I explained:
• If I say to them he’s coming, he’s coming not oh he can maybe come 70%.
• I can’t mess people around with bookings.

He replied:
• He “doesn’t really know these people”.
• Why miss football for people he doesn’t know. This was said about 4 times by this next point.

I said, out of frustration:

They’re fucking family, not random people.

Things escalated even further. He accused me of being unreasonable and was so condescending and rude saying things like ‘you’ve got the audacity to speak to your son like that, I don’t know any parent that would do that’ this is in relation to me saying ‘they’re fucking family’ after he was repeatedly dismissing me acting like these people were nobodies. I didn’t swear directly at him but I did call him out for being selfish.
I said asking him to miss one football match for rare family time wasn’t unreasonable.

He refused outright and demanded an apology.

His Perspective (According to Him)
• He never clashes with Dad or Nana, so I must be the problem.
• I “create issues out of nowhere”.
• Other parents would just “leave it”.
• Swearing (context or not) is unacceptable. Even though we both swear in normal chatty conversations so it’s not remotely like we’re a family who doesn’t swear.
• He believes I am the reason the relationship isn’t sustainable.

My Reality
• We clash because I have boundaries.
• Dad & Nana don’t say no.
• He’s learned that if he waits long enough, rules disappear.
• He is increasingly selfish and dismissive.
• He speaks to me in ways people around me find shocking.
• Yet when things are calm, we’re genuinely close and affectionate and actually have a closer relationship than what he has with Dad. My son can be his true self around me, doing his funny impressions and cracking jokes etc, he would never be like that around Dad.

The Decision

After talking to friends and family, I realised I couldn’t keep doing this weekly.

For my health and sanity, I suggested:
• He stay with Dad & Nana until exams are over.
• We still see each other Saturdays.
• Remove the constant friction.

He agreed — but said he will only see me on Saturdays if I apologise for the argument.

In the heat of our argument when he demanded the apology I said I’m not apologising for asking you to come to a family meal, we’ll talk about it again when we’re both calm.

Then once the new arrangement was spoken about he demanded an apology again to allow me to see him on Saturdays. I actually ignored that part of the message and just kept calm answering the logistical stuff. When he needed to come for some of his stuff I said I can leave it by the door or he can come in for a chat and that I’d leave it up to him. He said he can only come in if I apologise. Then proceeded to add a list of things he wanted me to bag up for him and actually then asked for his gaming monitor saying ‘it’s mine anyway and at least I’d be getting good use out of it’. He’s asked me before when we’ve been fine to take his monitor to Nanas and I’ve always said no because it’s cable tidied into his desk etc and is a faff to have to undo all that. So he knew full well I wouldn’t have said yes to the monitor but I think he felt like he could push his luck. Inside I was fuming but I just replied calmly and said I’m not sending the monitor but everything else you’ve asked for will be in the bags for you. He then collected them from outside. And my word I was sobbing my heart out. I was heartbroken packing his things and heartbroken leaving them outside.

What life is actually like at his Dad’s (important context)

What hurts the most is that my son has openly said many times that he actually prefers my house because it feels more homely and cared for. At his dad’s, his room is a mess 24/7 because no one ever asks him to clean it, his bedding doesn’t get changed unless he brings clean bedding from my house, washing takes ages to come back from the wash, and there’s rarely food or drinks in the house that he likes. His dad doesn’t think about those things and instead just gives him money to sort himself out or orders takeaways. They don’t really spend quality time together either, my son is usually just in his room when he’s there. He’s also said before that he often goes to Nana’s on nights he’s meant to be with his dad because he prefers it there. So this isn’t about him being happier or better cared for there. It’s about having no boundaries, no expectations, and never being told no, which is obviously appealing to a teenager but devastating as a parent who has actually tried to create a stable, warm, functioning home.

I’m hoping that this whole trial of living with Dad and Nana until you finish school in June will work. I’m hoping that once the initial novelty has worn off of not having rules, being expected to do basic stuff like make your bed etc, once that has worn off I just hope it sinks in for him that actually I’m really not the bad guy.

Where We Are Now
• He’s living with Dad & Nana.
• Collected belongings contact-free.
• Says he’ll see me Saturdays once I apologise.
• I’m devastated, grieving, exhausted, and terrified this will backfire.
• I’m hoping distance and reality will eventually bring clarity.
• But I’m scared it’ll just reinforce the narrative that I’m the problem.

Why I’m Posting

I don’t want validation that I’m perfect. I know I’m not.

I want to know:
• Was I unreasonable?
• Has anyone else dealt with being the only parent enforcing boundaries?
• Does stepping back ever help?
• How do you protect your health without losing your child?

Because right now, I feel like I’ve lost him — and I don’t know if I did the right thing letting him go live there. I’m not perfect and I know that and have acknowledged that to my son many times. But the things we clash about are always due to him not following some very basic rules. If I was expecting way too much of him or was shouting and screaming at him all the time then I would understand that. But we only ever clash when I say no, and I feel like I have no respect or parental responsibility because everything is always challenged and undermined by the other side.

I just know that I feel beaten down, and honestly a bit depressed in the last few days since the big row. I’m crying a lot, I feel hopeless and powerless like I’m fighting a losing battle. 😢

OP posts:
Octavia64 · 06/01/2026 07:49

Parenting teenagers is tough.

parenting teenagers when they have the option of moving to dads or nanas is even tougher because they do have the option of the simply moving away from your rules.

ultimately at this age they all think they know it all and none of them like to listen to advice. This is the age where you have to relax on the rules and consequences and hope that they don’t make too many mistakes.

one of mine spent a week at his friends on a sofa after a particularly nasty row at a similar sort of age.

you aren’t a bad mum. You’ve obviously put in the hard yards.

but now is when they want autonomy and independence and if they don’t get at least some they take it. No teen I know would want to go to a meal with family, I had to bribe mine big time to get them to do it.

ApiratesaysYarrr · 06/01/2026 07:52

Kalimeras · 06/01/2026 05:19

She didn’t send him packing, he flounced off thinking it would force her to change her mind and come grovelling to him so he was back in control. It didn’t. Now he gets to live with the consequences for a bit. Good for her.

From the OP's 1st post:

For my health and sanity, I suggested:
• He stay with Dad & Nana until exams are over.

BernardButlersBra · 06/01/2026 07:53

I would leave them all to get on with it! At least for a bit. I'm sure everyone is going to see a somewhat different side to each other when living together all the time... I would use the time to recover physically, emotionally and financially

Imdunfer · 06/01/2026 07:53

You aren't understanding one thing about him and that's the football. He's a season ticket holder and travelling some distance in North Wales to follow a decent team and I'm guessing that's Wrexham. Even if it wasn't Wrexham, it's still a big deal if he's a real fan, but Wrexham is a bit special right now with their incredibly rise up (and up and up) the league since Ryan Reynnolds bought them.

Home games can be sporadic because of scheduling cup matches (which aren't covered by season tickets) and missing one could leave you without a football match to attend for a month or more. Being in the crowd at a game is tribal. That does something for the soul that, if you need it, you need it. It wouldn't be a lot of people's cup of tea but if it's yours, match day is a special day that will set you up for a couple of weeks.

It sounds like you've got a plan sorted, I hope it goes well and your health continue to improve.

Guavafish1 · 06/01/2026 07:56

your son is entering adult life now

let the past with your ex and his mum go… it’s was toxic and that was that….

Be patient with your son and supportive. This might be a good opportunity to let him grow and see a male role model day to day.

Being a child of divorce is difficult…. Being a child with parts fighting adds a extra layer of difficulty for your son.

BernardButlersBra · 06/01/2026 07:59

Oh and l wouldn't apologise. If you aren't careful then a pattern will develop whenever you ask anything of him and he doesn't 100% like it he will demand an apology. It sounds like he doesn't want to challenged and do exactly what he wants -life isn't like that and he needs to learn that. He was rude saying a 70% chance about the meal, it sounds to me like he was hedging his bets and giving himself an out

bigboykitty · 06/01/2026 08:00

I would apologise. The meal/football is not the hill to die on. The big picture is a huge problem, but one that has been many years in the making. He's told you he prefers living with you. Of course he may be telling Dad/Nana he wants to live with them. Make your peace with him, make him welcome and stick to your boundaries about the girlfriend because he's 15 and she should never have been staying.

LancashireButterPie · 06/01/2026 08:00

You have very different priorities to me.
I wouldn't let my 15yr old have sex with his GF in our house. Apart from anything else the legal age of consent is 16. It isn't teaching him respect for boundaries or the law.
However, re the issue of missing a football match for a family meal, I would have accepted that no 15yr old wants to make pleasantries with distant relatives and so would have happily accepted his decision.
You can't treat him as an adult one minute and as a child the next.
I think some time apart is probably a good thing.

MissDoubleU · 06/01/2026 08:02

Very weird of you to continually refuse to apologise. It’s not hard to say “I’m sorry things escalated and got oit of hand, I never wanted that. I love you and I hate fighting with you.”

Why do you need to hold onto being in the right and blameless so much that a very simple apology to your son needs to be repeatedly asked for?

Demonstrate to him that it is easy and normal to apologise and admit fault. Kids need to see this, they need to be apologised to.

Tinkerbellthefairy · 06/01/2026 08:05

I would have let mine go to the football at 15 - especially given his dad pays a fortune for the season ticket. He doesn’t know these people and it’s not the same for him as it is for you.

this was not the hill to die on.

Theoscargoesto · 06/01/2026 08:10

No judgment from me. I quite understand why you need to have boundaries and I also understand why you don’t think any apology should be a one way thing. I entirely get that you feel that, if you back down re the apology, you are just being exactly like the nan and dad, changing things as and when it suits and not holding a boundary.

The issue for me is that the apology, not the reasons round the row, has got to seem the most important thing here and somehow that needs resolving. But it is hard to resolve when at the moment, you have a stroppy 15 y o who is seeing this in a narrow context of “win or lose”. In an ideal world, and in the past when you were living together that would eventually be talked through but not now.

I think id try and take a long view. It is probably the case that he will need you. Wait it out. And perhaps in the meantime try and look after you, physically, emotionally and financially. Get some therapy so you have a sounding board and objective support. Obviously stay in touch and message your son, make it clear you love him and you’re always there but decide to wait say one month or three and just give it time. I’m sorry this has happened to you it sounds really hard.

scottishGirl · 06/01/2026 08:15

Agree with everyone else that you need to pick your battles with teenagers and I would have accepted his choice to go to the football.

The sleepovers shouldn't have started, but they have. So this is where I disagree with pp...I think If you don't let them have sex at home they will find somewhere else much more risky to do it. They absolutely will not stop now they have started, so I would continue to allow the sleepovers. Sounds though like further discussions are needed about risk and the noise..I hope they both turn 16 soon.

user1492757084 · 06/01/2026 08:19

You don't need to apologise.
Teenage years are selfish years and your DS seems horridly self centred.
Leave him so spend his horrid years with Dad and Nan. Socialise with him on your terms.
Only accept the best of manners and respectful communication so at least sometimes he is learning how to be considerate.

Warn Dad about teenage pregnancies and make it clear that you will not be the one to pick up any pieces.

See your son on the other side - when he is 25.
Chill out for ten years.

Theunamedcat · 06/01/2026 08:27

When he asks to come back i would hesitate because he is only going to continue this pattern

Fundays12 · 06/01/2026 08:27

Billybagpuss · 06/01/2026 03:04

To be honest I agree with 90% of what you’ve posted that he’s playing you off against his dad and nana and has no boundaries and a lot of disrespect but you’ve chosen a very odd hill to die on.

no 15 year old boy is going to want to miss a football match to spend time with auntie Gertrude who he hardly knows. You should have been more flexible, also how long does a match last 90mins plus half time and a bit of time either side. Surely you could have arranged a meal around a home game football match.

I’m not defending his attitude and the way he spoke to you but you didn’t even attempt a compromise.

As a mum of a teenager and someone who work's with teenagers I agree with all of this.

No way would I try force my teenager to not go to something he loves to spend time with someone he isnt that fussed for. I dont even force my kids to spend time with grandparents so my teenager rarely bothers to as neither set have made any real effort with him until its to late.

TalulaHalulah · 06/01/2026 08:31

Kalimeras · 06/01/2026 05:19

She didn’t send him packing, he flounced off thinking it would force her to change her mind and come grovelling to him so he was back in control. It didn’t. Now he gets to live with the consequences for a bit. Good for her.

Well, quite.
I have only read as far as your post. I am a single parent to two DC, the youngest is 15 and I would be appalled if he was behaving like the OP’s son. I probably would have let him go to the football but I would also trust him to be back after if that is what we agreed.

OP cannot keep giving and giving and giving at the expense of her own health and well-being. It sounds like she is exhausted and needs a break, and the other parent and grandparent are actively working against her. I agree with a PP who said to emphasise that you love and miss him while he is away but that you do need some rules in your house which he needs to follow, I would be happy to sit down and discuss what these are.

sundayvibeswig22 · 06/01/2026 08:41

You did right to apologise. I wouldn’t expect my dc to miss a sporting event they’re passionate about to go for a meal with extended family they don’t know. Most 15 year olds would find a meal out with ‘old people’ boring.

seveneight · 06/01/2026 08:46

I would apologise for swearing, and for bagging up his stuff and leaving it outside for him. You're framing that as "respecting his wishes" but regardless of what he said he wanted, that's a very hurtful thing to do.

For the football, I don't understand why he didn't know the fixture dates already, unless you're planning ahead for a meal in September? If that's the case it was entirely reasonable for him to say he'd probably come depending on the football. You could have told your relatives that and amended the booking nearer the time if he couldn't make it. No big deal.

Your relationship with him sounds muddled. On the one hand you're laying down the law (excessively so at times), on the other hand you're trying to be best friends with him. Respect seems to be lacking in both directions, and maybe a break from each other will help.

sashh · 06/01/2026 09:23

It sounds like you need a rest and while he is with Dad and Nana you can get that rest.

He will come back once the shine wears off.

Driftingawaynow · 06/01/2026 09:36

You’ve written so many long posts op, I confess I haven’t managed to read it all but from what I’ve read at the start I think you’re being unreasonable with him and causing issues where there don’t need to be.
It is not your boundary that he should send a birthday or Christmas card, that’s his choice and it’s controlling of you to try to make him. you are micromanaging him because of your fear of him being selfish and lazy, but you are clearly holding this negative view of him very close to the surface and no doubt he will be feeling it. Your complaints about the different parenting styles come across as really ott. This is the real reality of co parenting, parents will never have the same style, and there will always be these disagreements. It’s shit that they badmouth you, but you don’t have to get caught up in that.
his age, you should not be trying to force him to go to family events that he doesn’t want to go to where he doesn’t know people, it just doesn’t matter. He is growing up and it just comes across that you are not respecting this.
causing all this drama and stress and telling him to move out would’ve done a huge amount of damage, especially just before he has exams, he’s got a lot on his plate and I really think you need to seriously unclench and show him more respect as a separate individual if you want him to be respectful to you.

user665178392470 · 06/01/2026 09:43

I don’t think the football/meal with family was the hill to die on really - can’t say I’d be thrilled to be cancelling something I enjoy to see people I don’t really know, and that’s magnified 100 fold as a teen.

But the rest of it doesn’t sound great - 15 is tricky, not a child but not an adult. At this stage I think you should be there to guide not control every little thing. You need to find a way of building a mutually respectful relationship.

Also, don’t underestimate the extent your illness may be worrying him - I had an ailing parent at the same age and it’s an awful worry to bear. It’s perhaps fortunate he has the support of his grandparents? There will be kids in the same situation who only have their mother, no father or extended family at all.

LAMPS1 · 06/01/2026 09:50

I think that deep down he knows you are a good parent and that he prefers to be with you.
He’s just kicking back because that’s what they do at this age.

You can’t make his dad and nana change and parent the way you want them to. You’ve spent too much energy invested in what they do that goes against the grain for you. Put them and their ways out of your mind. You can’t control it. He won’t go hungry and he may learn a few home truths from them too when they come up against his lazy selfish typical teen ways.

Now you are calmer and he’s received his validation from your apology, just keep everything light and easy going and chatty as you already do.
It’s now like a fresh start which is always good.
Make sure it’s warm and comfy, clean tidy, well stocked and inviting when he does come back for the odd meal. Most of all, - no dramas!

Use this time to rest up and relax as much as you can. Look after yourself a bit more.
He’s still your dear son, no matter where he lives and you have been the constantly reliable parent all his life who clearly puts him first. Teens are selfish, as they learn and flex and find out who they are, but deep down you both get on well when you aren’t having to lay the law down.

This will pass OP. He will mature gradually. So don’t despair.
He’s not gone for good.

Somerdays · 06/01/2026 09:55

You've done the right thing by apologising. Don't beat yourself up, though. Parenting teenagers is tough, even without the health situation you've been going through. You clearly love him a lot and have made a lot of sacrifices for him. I'm sure you know that kids are often the worst behaved for the parent they feel safest and most loved by? He knows you won't reject him which is why he's been being a little shit for you some of the time.

A few sayings got me through the teen years with mine just about sane.

This too shall pass, muttered over and over under my breath. And in your situation, this will pass and he'll be home again under your roof sooner or later (I suspect sooner).

Leave the catastrophising to teenagers, and keep perspective. It's really hard to do in the heat of the moment. Catastrophising every situation, and being completely black and white about things, can be infectious. But the fact that teenagers do it means that it's double important that we as their parents take a step back and see the bigger picture.

Model the behaviour we want from them. That's why it's so good that you apologised for losing your temper and swearing. You've modelled apologising. And now you're going to model steady thoughtfulness, consistency and kindness, through regular, caring text messages.

Focus on what you can do, not what you can't. You can't control the boundaries at his dad and grandmother's houses. But you can have boundaries at your own. You can't make him commit to a family meal over a football match, but you can go alone to the family meal and leave him to it. Etc... etc...

Honestly? I think he'll be home soon, and the best use of your time is to catch up on sleep and focus on self-care and practicalities until he is.

ChocoChocoLatte · 06/01/2026 09:57

I’d spend this time resting and catching up with your own health, sounds like you need it.

If it’s that shit at his dad’s, he’ll be back soon enough.

Dollymylove · 06/01/2026 10:04

I agree with the refusal to meet distant relatives he barely knows.
Also agree with PPs, let him stay at Nanas, one day he may have an epiphany and realise he needs to get his shit together and learn some responsibility for his actions, which might include teenage fatherhood if hes not careful x