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15yo son has moved in with Dad & Nana after years of undermining, boundary issues, and constant conflict. I’m heartbroken and questioning everything.

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EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 02:53

TLDR: Single mum to a 15yo. Dad and Nana have consistently undermined my parenting for years. Son has grown increasingly disrespectful and selfish, refuses basic boundaries, and sees me as the “problem”. A fight over attending a rare family meal (vs football) was the final straw. He’s now chosen to live with Dad and Nana unless I apologise. I’m exhausted, ill, heartbroken, and questioning whether I did the right thing.

There’s a lot to cover in the post so it is going to be so long. If you stick around and read it all, thank you.

Background
• My son is 15.
• His dad and I split when he was under 1.
• We’ve had a roughly 50/50 arrangement, but always built around his dad’s shift pattern, meaning:
• Dad never has him while working only on his days off.
• I’ve always carried the day-to-day responsibility.
• Dad moved back in with his parents after we split.
• Nana (his dads mum) has been heavily involved since day one:
• Doing GP, dentist, school stuff on the days my sons with them.
• Essentially a third parent doing the things Dad should’ve done but didn’t.

I’ve always been grateful for her help, especially when I’ve been seriously ill. But that gratitude has also made it very hard to stand my ground when boundaries were ignored.

Ongoing Issues With Dad & Nana

This has been happening for years, not months.

Undermining from the start
• Dummies, potty training, routines — undone every time he stayed there.
• Nana openly ignores rules and justifies it as “that’s what grandparents do”.
• But this isn’t occasional babysitting. She’s effectively co-parenting.

Food & health
• I tried hard to encourage a balanced diet.
• Dad and Nana accused me of “forcing” food if I added veg or lettuce. I shouldn’t feed him stuff he doesn’t like (he’s a kid of course fruit and veg isn’t gonna be his first choice!)
• Son then repeated their words back to me.

Discipline never sticks
• If I removed phone/Xbox or grounded him:
• Dad would agree… briefly.
• Within days, rules vanished.
• He’d be back on his phone behind my back.

School & money
• Poor school reports — I made plans, Dad said he’d help, then didn’t.
• Son is awful with money.
• We agreed on a card limit. Dad & Nana ignored it within a month.
• I eventually stopped pocket money unless it’s earned.

Girlfriend & Boundaries
• Girlfriend stays over constantly.
• I had open, responsible conversations about sex and contraception.
• But I was repeatedly woken up hearing them having sex.
• After the fourth time, I put my foot down and said no more sleepovers.
• Grounded him and told Dad & Nana exactly why.

It didn’t last. Nothing ever does.

My Health & Stress Context (Important)

In the last 18 months:
• 4 months in hospital in 2024.
• Major surgery July 2025, ended up in ITU.
• Long-term illness (including lupus).
• Relationship eith my ex BF (not his Dad) ended while I was still hospitalised.
• Client went insolvent owing me thousands.
• Took on two extra jobs to recover financially.
• Still tried my absolute best to give my son a good Christmas.

I’m not parenting from a place of ease or support. I’m surviving.

The Argument That Broke Everything

I asked my son if he was free on a certain date because:
• My aunt and extended family (who live far away) were visiting.
• We were booking a family meal.

He said he could “70% come” unless football fixtures came out and there was a home game.

I explained:
• If I say to them he’s coming, he’s coming not oh he can maybe come 70%.
• I can’t mess people around with bookings.

He replied:
• He “doesn’t really know these people”.
• Why miss football for people he doesn’t know. This was said about 4 times by this next point.

I said, out of frustration:

They’re fucking family, not random people.

Things escalated even further. He accused me of being unreasonable and was so condescending and rude saying things like ‘you’ve got the audacity to speak to your son like that, I don’t know any parent that would do that’ this is in relation to me saying ‘they’re fucking family’ after he was repeatedly dismissing me acting like these people were nobodies. I didn’t swear directly at him but I did call him out for being selfish.
I said asking him to miss one football match for rare family time wasn’t unreasonable.

He refused outright and demanded an apology.

His Perspective (According to Him)
• He never clashes with Dad or Nana, so I must be the problem.
• I “create issues out of nowhere”.
• Other parents would just “leave it”.
• Swearing (context or not) is unacceptable. Even though we both swear in normal chatty conversations so it’s not remotely like we’re a family who doesn’t swear.
• He believes I am the reason the relationship isn’t sustainable.

My Reality
• We clash because I have boundaries.
• Dad & Nana don’t say no.
• He’s learned that if he waits long enough, rules disappear.
• He is increasingly selfish and dismissive.
• He speaks to me in ways people around me find shocking.
• Yet when things are calm, we’re genuinely close and affectionate and actually have a closer relationship than what he has with Dad. My son can be his true self around me, doing his funny impressions and cracking jokes etc, he would never be like that around Dad.

The Decision

After talking to friends and family, I realised I couldn’t keep doing this weekly.

For my health and sanity, I suggested:
• He stay with Dad & Nana until exams are over.
• We still see each other Saturdays.
• Remove the constant friction.

He agreed — but said he will only see me on Saturdays if I apologise for the argument.

In the heat of our argument when he demanded the apology I said I’m not apologising for asking you to come to a family meal, we’ll talk about it again when we’re both calm.

Then once the new arrangement was spoken about he demanded an apology again to allow me to see him on Saturdays. I actually ignored that part of the message and just kept calm answering the logistical stuff. When he needed to come for some of his stuff I said I can leave it by the door or he can come in for a chat and that I’d leave it up to him. He said he can only come in if I apologise. Then proceeded to add a list of things he wanted me to bag up for him and actually then asked for his gaming monitor saying ‘it’s mine anyway and at least I’d be getting good use out of it’. He’s asked me before when we’ve been fine to take his monitor to Nanas and I’ve always said no because it’s cable tidied into his desk etc and is a faff to have to undo all that. So he knew full well I wouldn’t have said yes to the monitor but I think he felt like he could push his luck. Inside I was fuming but I just replied calmly and said I’m not sending the monitor but everything else you’ve asked for will be in the bags for you. He then collected them from outside. And my word I was sobbing my heart out. I was heartbroken packing his things and heartbroken leaving them outside.

What life is actually like at his Dad’s (important context)

What hurts the most is that my son has openly said many times that he actually prefers my house because it feels more homely and cared for. At his dad’s, his room is a mess 24/7 because no one ever asks him to clean it, his bedding doesn’t get changed unless he brings clean bedding from my house, washing takes ages to come back from the wash, and there’s rarely food or drinks in the house that he likes. His dad doesn’t think about those things and instead just gives him money to sort himself out or orders takeaways. They don’t really spend quality time together either, my son is usually just in his room when he’s there. He’s also said before that he often goes to Nana’s on nights he’s meant to be with his dad because he prefers it there. So this isn’t about him being happier or better cared for there. It’s about having no boundaries, no expectations, and never being told no, which is obviously appealing to a teenager but devastating as a parent who has actually tried to create a stable, warm, functioning home.

I’m hoping that this whole trial of living with Dad and Nana until you finish school in June will work. I’m hoping that once the initial novelty has worn off of not having rules, being expected to do basic stuff like make your bed etc, once that has worn off I just hope it sinks in for him that actually I’m really not the bad guy.

Where We Are Now
• He’s living with Dad & Nana.
• Collected belongings contact-free.
• Says he’ll see me Saturdays once I apologise.
• I’m devastated, grieving, exhausted, and terrified this will backfire.
• I’m hoping distance and reality will eventually bring clarity.
• But I’m scared it’ll just reinforce the narrative that I’m the problem.

Why I’m Posting

I don’t want validation that I’m perfect. I know I’m not.

I want to know:
• Was I unreasonable?
• Has anyone else dealt with being the only parent enforcing boundaries?
• Does stepping back ever help?
• How do you protect your health without losing your child?

Because right now, I feel like I’ve lost him — and I don’t know if I did the right thing letting him go live there. I’m not perfect and I know that and have acknowledged that to my son many times. But the things we clash about are always due to him not following some very basic rules. If I was expecting way too much of him or was shouting and screaming at him all the time then I would understand that. But we only ever clash when I say no, and I feel like I have no respect or parental responsibility because everything is always challenged and undermined by the other side.

I just know that I feel beaten down, and honestly a bit depressed in the last few days since the big row. I’m crying a lot, I feel hopeless and powerless like I’m fighting a losing battle. 😢

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Billybagpuss · 06/01/2026 03:04

To be honest I agree with 90% of what you’ve posted that he’s playing you off against his dad and nana and has no boundaries and a lot of disrespect but you’ve chosen a very odd hill to die on.

no 15 year old boy is going to want to miss a football match to spend time with auntie Gertrude who he hardly knows. You should have been more flexible, also how long does a match last 90mins plus half time and a bit of time either side. Surely you could have arranged a meal around a home game football match.

I’m not defending his attitude and the way he spoke to you but you didn’t even attempt a compromise.

EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 03:16

Thank you for your input. I understand he would want to go to the football but he goes to every home game. He’s out for hours when they go as it’s not a local team they have to travel for it. This meal is not being arranged by me and also the family visiting are travelling back down to Bournemouth, we live in north wales so the time it’s being arranged for isn’t super flexible. We don’t get to see my aunty and uncle much at all, once in a blue moon. He goes to every single home game. He said he’s already missed 2 home games and isn’t missing another one, the 2 he already missed were because I had taken me, him and his girlfriend on holiday! I understand fully that of course his first choice would be to go to football, but, sometimes we all have to do things that we perhaps wouldn’t have chosen to do in order to see family members or whatever. I wouldn’t even mind if he checked his phone regularly through the meal to keep an eye on the score. And actually before it escalated further I said I will just go to the meal without him then as I’m not saying he’s going only for him to cancel last minute nor am I saying he’s not going then trying to add him on to the booking last minute because there’s a lot of people going and it needs to be accommodating everyone not just his wishy washy yes or no if that makes sense. If I was organising it I’d have more control and ability to try plan it around him, but I’m not.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 06/01/2026 03:33

I would suck up the apology. You need to keep the communication with your ds. This could go on for years. However, I think I would write him more than just an apology. I think I would write him a letter saying that you love him very much. You’re exasperated that he is choosing to live in a way, that means he is not taking responsibility for his life and he will soon be an adult. And that you are concerned he is throwing his future away. That you have tried so hard for him, so that he has a future and turns out to be a productive, fulfilled and happy member of society. And that it is so frustrating that he can’t see that everything you have done is out of a place of love. And that you hope one day he will be able to see that. And that because of how hard you’ve been trying it’s been incredibly frustrating for you to see such a bright and fantastic young man wasting his potential. And that everyone has their limits. And that this day was the day you reached yours. You know that swearing at him wasn’t helpful and you’re sorry about that. Because as the adult you should be setting the example. And you can only own your part in the situation. And hope that one day he will be able to understand the sacrifices you have made and just how much you love him. And you hope you’ll be able to spend some time together really soon.

Billybagpuss · 06/01/2026 03:34

So what was his reaction to you saying you’d go without him? It’s the obvious solution, he’s not bothered by the family meal and you’d said it’s ok for you to go alone. Problem solved. How did it then escalate to where it is now? It does seem you’re making a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill.

Its now less about the incident and more about how to keep the lines of communication open for the future so you can keep a relationship going forward.

at the moment he’s refusing to see you unless you apologise, you don’t think you should. What would happen if you just sent a cheery message asking if he wanted to meet you for a coffee this Saturday.

EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 03:46

I have no plans to not keep in touch with him. I’ve got reminders in my phone to text him good luck on the mornings of his exams. I also plan on texting him normal messages as we normally would just like have you had a good day, music we like etc, none of that will stop at least on my part. I do also plan on texting him every single week and just saying something like ‘are you coming on Saturday would be lovely to see you’ maybe something like that. I have also written out and deleted a bunch of times a message that just says I’m sorry for how things ended the other day and for us both getting angry, that wasn’t my intention and I am genuinely sorry it resulted in that for both of us. But then I’m doubting myself because he’s looking for me to apologise and take full ownership of what happened, when actually tbh I would like an apology from him too, but I understand he’s the kid in this and I’m the adult. So then I think just send it, but then I don’t want my apology to come across in the wrong way.

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Tumbler2121 · 06/01/2026 03:52

Be glad he has gone to his dads, read again how he was behaving towards you when he lived with you. He will not get any better.

use the time he’s away to get fit and well. Maybe get a life for yourself that doesn’t spin around fights.

I also think that it was pointless to insist that he comes to family events, why would you?

EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 04:07

That’s when it got even worse. I said I’ll go without you regardless of whether there is or isn’t football on because im
not asking them to book you a place for you to cancel last minute. He replied saying think about me having to tell my dad who pays £1000 a year for a season ticket to tell him sorry I can’t go because I’ve got to go to a meal with people I hardly know. And you’ve got the audacity to speak to your son like that, I can’t name any other parent who would do that (that’s in relation to me saying ‘they’re fucking family’) then it got a bit worse with him saying he never clashes like this with dad and nana etc and I was like you don’t clash with people that don’t say no that’s why, we clash because I do.

It might seem on the surface level to be ‘not a big deal’ but it really is unbearable. Every week there’s something, but part of that is him just being an annoying teenager which I acknowledge but it’s made so much worse because I’m not just ‘battling a teenager’ I’m also battling 2 other adults who have consistently filled his head with rubbish and undermined my parenting to him for years. Why’s your Mum doing that, why’s your Mum doing this, she shouldn’t do that, she always creates such an issue etc etc.

He is very selfish and gets worse when he’s been there for a few days, when he comes back to me it takes him a couple days to readjust to being a bit ‘more normal’.

He had a big debate with me and his girlfriend about how he doesn’t think he should have to get her a Christmas or birthday card, they’re a waste of money and he may as well just throw £3 down the drain, he is only bothered about the present. Then because his girlfriend said she would like a card I was trying to get him to see that he should just get her a card and he was like my dad and his girlfriend don’t get eachother cards, and basically insinuating that that’s normal.

I can’t ask him to do anything without there being an issue. When I try and create boundaries they’re undermined by him being the hard done by kid and input from the other side. Friends etc tell me all the time just ground him or whatever and I’m like but I don’t think you realise I can’t, because even if I do, the minute he goes back there it’s undone so if they’re not going to be consistent then it doesn’t work.

yeah I defo do plan on keeping communication open, I will text him every week asking him to come on the Saturday, I will text him to see how his day was, wish him good luck in his exams, share new music I think he might like etc etc. I’ve got no intention of not continuing to do that, just right now (bearing in mind this is still raw as it only all kicked off at the weekend) I need a bit of restbite. I will apologise for how things ended the other day, I’ll apologise for swearing and also for us both ending up angry and upset as that wasn’t my intention. But I just don’t know if he’s going to accept that as I think he’s looking for me to apologise and say that I was wrong and out of order etc when actually really he should also apologise too but he isn’t going to do that.

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temperance75 · 06/01/2026 04:07

To be honest I would have allowed my son to go to football and not depend it with family he barely knows. You are the adult, the parent in this relationship, and you're digging your heels in, and refusing to apologise like he's an adult. He's 15. He's still a child (one who under no circumstances should be having his girlfriend sleep over never mind having sex in the house). His brain isn't developed enough to make these sort of decisions and understand the consequences. You say you plan on texting him weekly. I text to my ds who is at uni, several times a week and also speak to him. It's January and you are already talking about texting him during his exams. So seems like you have no intention of having him back before then.

EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 04:15

I text my son daily we speak a lot usually and when we’re not clashing like this we are actually very close. He also has 2 exams next week that’s what I meant about texting him before them, not the ones near the summer. Asking my son to come to a family event to get the chance to spend time with family we rarely see isn’t exactly unreasonable. We don’t get that opportunity often, so am I really that out of line for wanting him to come and potentially miss a football match which is something he goes to all the time. Re the girlfriend sleepover, he was allowed to stay at her dads, multiple times by the other side. I felt like I had no power to be able to say no when he’s with me seen as they had let him sleep at hers. Obviously the having sex thing is also something that if I had a choice then it wouldn’t be happening but they’ve been together for over a year, they’re going to do it anyway so I would have at least had the conversations with them in an attempt to try and get them to be sensible rather than treat it like a taboo. I’ve said in other replies that I am happy to apologise for how things ended the other day and for us both getting angry and upset and for swearing, none of that was ever my intention when I initially messaged him.

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viques · 06/01/2026 04:24

Sometimes you need to step back and see what the issues are, what they have been, and what you can let go.

I would for example let go of the dummy use and toilet training issues. they are long gone.

Much of what you write about is your son playing off both sides. If you recognise when he is doing it then you have the solution in your hands, by refusing to do battle you have taken the control away from him. You tell him you are not going to get into a fight about it. He is old enough to make decisions for himself if he is prepared to stand by the consequences, eg if he wants to sleep with his girlfriend he needs to accept that unless he sorts out contraception he will find himself supporting a child for the next 18 years.

I think you need to accept that at least for the moment he has decided to live elsewhere. He is with his father and grandmother, a roof over his head, not sofa surfing or living rough. He is safe. Take the time to focus on yourself , your own physical and mental health without the constant emotional noise of arguments and walking on eggshells. He knows where you are when he needs your support.

EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 04:27

Wdym get a life for yourself? I have a life and I try my best. I’ve been working 3 jobs, I’ve taken him on holiday, we go to the pub quiz over the road often, I take him to and from darts and other social bits all the time. We get on very well when we don’t clash. We clash when my rules and boundaries are not being met. Like I said in my original post I don’t have many rules at all, they’re quite basic BUT because I am up against the other side who literally have ZERO rules, his room at his dads is an unhygienic mess, his room at his Nanas is nice because she does everything for him, so when I’m sick of him being lazy etc and I finally am like for god sake just make your bed, or hang up your wet towels, or take rubbish down out of your room, or don’t dick around in school as much, I then become the wicked witch because on the other side he has ZERO rules AND 2 grown adults making him believe that I am unreasonable etc.

Ive tried my best and I acknowledge that I’m not perfect. But I don’t think anyone is understanding how hard this has been. That kid is my world and I love him more than anything, but does that mean I have to continue to allow him to treat me the way he does? He has no respect for me because he’s been told by them that I’m unreasonable. Whereas anyone on my side is shocked when they see him speak to me the way he does sometimes.

I have reached breaking point after years of this, but after the last 2 years in particular. All while having serious struggles elsewhere.

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BeeHive909 · 06/01/2026 04:31

Honestly I’d just let him ruin his life by living with his dad and nana. He sounds like a rude brat and you won’t get anywhere with him

EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 04:31

Thank you, I really appreciate your reply and do agree with it. I think I just feel so powerless and really at a loss of what to do because even when I do recognise what he’s doing if I call him out on it I get zero support from the other side to try and help me stamp out certain behaviours and then I also get him being rude to me on top and I just can’t cope anymore. The dummy, potty training stuff etc is long gone I know but it was more to give context that this battle with the other side constantly going against me has been ongoing for years and years and it’s relentless especially now with him being older.

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EeewDavid · 06/01/2026 04:38

I really feel for you. Sounds like very tough situation.

If it were me I’d apologise. I’d say I love you so much and I’ve only ever tried to bring you up well because I want you to be happy in future - I’d be a rubbish mum if I just let you do whatever you want and live without guidance.

Then I’d try and rebuild. Give him that apology, you don’t have to mean it. Just think to yourself ‘I’m doing this because he’s immature, but my love for him is more important than being right’.

Also I agree re the pp’s and the football thing. Pigs would fly before my DH/DS would miss a home game. Honestly, the reason would have to be exceptional… and even then…

Best of luck OP. You sound like a great mum 💙

EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 04:40

But I can’t just give up on him, if I don’t try and make him be a bit less selfish, be a bit more considerate of others etc, he isn’t gonna get those lessons from the other side that’s for certain. And that’s why I feel awful about all of this because I know I have to keep trying, keep pushing and keep on going because at least then maybe when he is an adult he’ll be a bit more balanced. He doesn’t actually like it at his Dads deep down, he does like it at Nanas but I’m just hoping that once the initial novelty wears off, he’ll then see more clearly about me and how we live here, IE well, he’s always got food in he likes, he has just a few basic rules that really aren’t that difficult to maintain it just requires him not being as lazy and self centred.

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EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 04:48

Thank you and yeah it really is tough. It’s 4.45am and I’ve still not managed any sleep and I’m crying as I type this because it’s just awful, everything about it.

People are right, I will text him later today with the apology he’s after. I do think that staying at Dads and Nana’s for a while would hopefully do some good if even just for the pure fact of once that novelty of zero rules wears off he’ll start to miss things about here. Like we really are so so close which is why this is so unbearable as I hate the thought of us not having our normal laughs etc but I also know that he treats me like absolute shit too much, and even more so than normal teenage crap because it’s reinforced by the other side.

I’ve been through so much personally as well, I was TPN dependent last year and fed through a tube this year until I had the big op in July and so I think part of me is also sad because I have to always hold it together and be the ‘strong’ one and I kinda just wish they’d all cut me some slack sometimes especially my son.

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Kalimeras · 06/01/2026 04:56

I know he’s only 15 but he sounds like a lazy, rude, manipulative brat. It sounds like you’ve done your very best but been swimming against the tide so maybe it is time to let dad and nana reap what they’ve sown with him. It seems a bit like you’ve given in on a lot of things (not letting his gf sleep over or have sex in your house) because you’ve been afraid he’d leave. The worst has happened now - so if he wants to come back I’d be putting firmer rules back in place and sticking to them. He needs to learn to be becoming an adult - looking after his own living space for a start without having to be told. If his room is a mess that’s his fault, not his dad’s.

I do think you chose a weird hill to die on but I also wouldn’t be grovelling to him the way he wants - part of becoming an adult is learning to compromise and at some point someone has to teach him he can’t have it all his own way

EmirateReign · 06/01/2026 05:07

I don’t disagree with you. I probably have made it worse by giving in when I feel like I’m up against it because at Dads he’s allowed to do XYZ so why can’t he here etc.

Ive taken people’s advice and I have just text him saying (his phone is always on DND by the way so it won’t wake him up which is why I sent it now as I’ve not managed to sleep yet so I might be sleeping when he wakes up:
I want you to know that I love and adore you more than anything. I am sorry that things ended up in a row and went back and forth like they did. That wasn’t my intention when I first messaged and I wish it had been handled more calmly. I hope your first day back at school goes okay. xx

At the end of the day I am the adult so even when he was being rude and mean etc I shouldn’t have continued a back and forth and for that I am genuinely sorry.

I do also think he should stay there for a while and really get to see what daily life is like in houses where there’s zero rules. Initially he’ll like it, because wouldn’t we all at his age, but hopefully eventually he will see that his home here is actually not as bad as he thinks it is if he just sticks to a few simple rules.

My friend said the same re only allowing him back if he knows that the rules are there to stay and if living by my rules is too stressful for him then making it clear that my rules won’t be changing.

I guess maybe it was a weird hill to die on but at the same time I do also think that even if I’m telling him he’s got to do something then he’s got to do it. He doesn’t have to like it but he does have to get on with it. For me, seeing family that we only see once in a blue moon and I mean like once every 5/6 years, is more important than going to a football match that he goes to all the time. It would’ve meant a lot to me and them for him to be there. But at the same time maybe I shouldn’t have tried to push for that.

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OtterlyAstounding · 06/01/2026 05:11

Kalimeras · 06/01/2026 04:56

I know he’s only 15 but he sounds like a lazy, rude, manipulative brat. It sounds like you’ve done your very best but been swimming against the tide so maybe it is time to let dad and nana reap what they’ve sown with him. It seems a bit like you’ve given in on a lot of things (not letting his gf sleep over or have sex in your house) because you’ve been afraid he’d leave. The worst has happened now - so if he wants to come back I’d be putting firmer rules back in place and sticking to them. He needs to learn to be becoming an adult - looking after his own living space for a start without having to be told. If his room is a mess that’s his fault, not his dad’s.

I do think you chose a weird hill to die on but I also wouldn’t be grovelling to him the way he wants - part of becoming an adult is learning to compromise and at some point someone has to teach him he can’t have it all his own way

I agree with this.

No 15-year-old wants to visit random extended relatives they hardly know. They might be family to you, but they're strangers to him, and he would understandably prefer football. I wouldn't have wanted to go visit my great-aunt I've hardly ever seen over doing something I love, and I'm an adult. So you shouldn't have tried to force it.

But in every other regard, you're not unreasonable. Unfortunately, this is the sort of situation where you're closing the barn doors when the horses have already bolted - ideally his father should never have had 50/50 if he wasn't actively parenting, which would've cut down on the amount of (bad) influence he and his mother have had over your son. Unfortunately, that's the hand you've been dealt, and are coping with now.

All you can do at this point is what the poster I've quoted says - have actual firm rules, and hold fast to them. Stop giving in!

No more sleepovers with his girlfriend (and speak to him frankly about sex), his room must be clean if not tidy, he eats what you put in front of him, and he speaks respectfully to you. Tell him that if he doesn't obey your basic ground rules there will be consequences, and if he doesn't like that then he can stay at his dad's -but that you love him and miss him when he's away, and of course would rather have him home with you.

Newfigtree · 06/01/2026 05:14

Your aunt is not his family. What a weird hill to die on.
You sent your son packing to his dad’s. He would have only seen this as a rejection.
I think you have made some mistakes here.

Anxiouswaffle · 06/01/2026 05:19

TBH he sounds like my 15 year old but with the option of an escape to another parent/grandparents - i think pick your battles - i don't think the meal was a hill to die on- family meals even for family you know well don't mean anything for 15 year olds its all about friendships- at least he was honest and told you he couldn't commit. Mine agrees at the time (largely because he's not listening) and then refuses later. Christmas cards- tbh we don't give them in the family at all - but DS just failed to get his father anything (despite reminders) - apparently my fault as he had to come to something (which he knew about well in advance) at 3pm on xmas eve - but i just let him see how disappointed his dad was- and also asked how he'd feel if i made the same excuses(apparently its different because i'm his mother) - so i feel your pain (DP is a disney dad so i get the inconsistency as well). i wouldn't interfere between him and his girlfriend- if he upsets her she can leave him and a lesson will be learnt
But apologise for shouting at him and getting upset- and ask him to come back - say you miss him as you do

Kalimeras · 06/01/2026 05:19

Newfigtree · 06/01/2026 05:14

Your aunt is not his family. What a weird hill to die on.
You sent your son packing to his dad’s. He would have only seen this as a rejection.
I think you have made some mistakes here.

She didn’t send him packing, he flounced off thinking it would force her to change her mind and come grovelling to him so he was back in control. It didn’t. Now he gets to live with the consequences for a bit. Good for her.

TheLemonLemur · 06/01/2026 05:23

I agree with most of your pov of the situation. However the row felt unneccessary your son is not behaving in a good way but I think you need to consider a little more that it must be difficult for a teenager to manage 2 very different settings/expectations one where he does what he likes then with you the polar opposite very rigid structure with no compromise. Having 1 less teenager at a booked lunch wouldn't have been the end of the world....
I wouldn't be apologising though you are teaching him emotional blackmail will get him what he wants

OtterlyAstounding · 06/01/2026 05:23

You seem like you have a good plan overall, OP, from your latest post.

This part is what I'd disagree with:
"For me, seeing family that we only see once in a blue moon and I mean like once every 5/6 years, is more important than going to a football match that he goes to all the time. It would’ve meant a lot to me and them for him to be there."

Let's say you have a hobby you love going to every few weeks, and your mother has told you that instead of going to that with your friends, you have to go with her to have a meal with your elderly Great-Aunt Sally that you have essentially no memory of, and all Great-Aunt Sally's family members.
You'll never see these people again, and you might not know anyone there to make conversation with except your mum (this isn't clear in your post).
As an adult woman, I'd probably do it for my mum's sake, but as a teenager? No way! It sounds like hell.

You might have had more luck if you'd invited his girlfriend too, but otherwise, it's just forcing him to do something boring for no real reason.

Paramaribo2025 · 06/01/2026 05:28

I'd leave him to it
He sounds horrible.
Mad that he was having sex under your roof.

Next thing, she'll be pregnant.

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