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Anyone else’s teen hate school

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HelloKittyFan · 23/09/2025 09:50

Anyone else’s teen (well preteen as he is only 11 but secondary school) hate school? I’m so exhausted with it all 😔 anyone else going through the same every morning is a battle

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HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 19:03

We did act he had loads of intervention in primary school, loads, it didn’t change anything!

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wanttokickoffbutcant · 27/09/2025 19:23

Screamingabdabz · 23/09/2025 10:45

Secondary school is a trial to be endured these days. I’m not surprised so many kids drop out and refuse to go.

It’s one anxiety inducing thing after another - constant threat of detentions, uniform obsession, stressed angry teachers, peer pressure, social media pressure, classroom disruption, not able to use the toilet, crowd control management etc etc.

My bright well-behaved kids went to a so called ‘outstanding’ school and all came out traumatised in one way or another. The whole system needs reviewing.

I had to deregister my Yr 11 DD three days in to this term. Her mental health was in the toilet and taking mine with it. She is a different girl. She is home ed now, mix of online and tutors, rest self guided. Have decided she will do English, Maths and Business Studies GCSE next year and then college next September. She had 100% attendance for most of nursery to Yr 7 and then everything went wrong. She was self harming, couldn't sleep, wouldn't eat and was hysterical each morning. When she was in school, she ws barely in lessons and I spent lot of time each day on the phone either her or the school. I wish now that I had taken her out sooner for all our sake.

XelaM · 27/09/2025 20:19

Can you look into online schools like Kings Inter High?

TheLivelyViper · 27/09/2025 20:20

Smartiepants79 · 27/09/2025 18:49

Most of those things are not new or unique to ‘these days’… the only thing on your list that’s different from when I was at school 30 years ago and my mum was at school 70 years ago is the social media.

Actually I think a lot has changed, you have way bigger schools than ever that effects cohesion and also the amount of attention children get. Even kids who are struggling can't get as much help as they should and then it gets so bad and then they are top of the list. More schools have year groups of 200-300+ with one head of year so obviously kids are ignored.

Also with MATs less teachers and SLTs even have 'control' of their schools the policies, curriculums they know work for the schools demographic and kids, there often isn't that personal level of situational judgement. The parent, teacher, pupil school breakdown for which all sides are responsible has gotten further polarised because of the smallish amount of individuals in those groups who treat the other badly. There's no trust between such groups.

Way more arbitrary rules on things like appearance, not turning up with a calculator or P.E kit (not taking about repeatdly but a kid having a stressed day forgets something for the first time etc or sometimes a kid whose shoes are broken so they have to wear trainers, and their parents genuinely can't buy another pair for 2/3 weeks etc). Those things don't help or grow students, they just overly penalise them and also hurt their own relationship with education etc. Exams and GCSEs, A-levels are harder than ever, no youth clubs or very little, no sure start etc, little help from YOI or youth workers if needed, lack of access to sports and enrichment due to cost, bed poverty, clothes poverty is much worse, and many teachers etc/schools fail to have culturally compotent policies and policies which acknowledge this, many don't even think of x reasons because they haven't been near that ever. I'd say that schools yes have gotten better in some way but in many ways much worse, some not their fault but other are. If I look back at my school experience not that long ago, I'd say honestly the amount of racism just from staff was traumatising, in professions like teaching choosing ignorance hurts students, choosing overly arbitrary policies eith little situational judgement hurts both staff and students. Obviously I could be wrong, your experience is yours and I wasn't alive then but just my thoughts, also the thoughts I've heard from lots of students, both anecdotally but also through some of my longitudinal research etc looking at such changes or whether people there is said change.

Back to the main point OP, is there any way you can get him school therapy or therapy outside of school. It may help to have a place to decompress etc. Look it something like somatic approaches, etc. Does your school have a peer mentor programme? They can be amazing for many kids. Can I ask @HelloKittyFan what adjustments in primary school he had?

Did the primary school definitely refer him to CAHMS, for a psychiatrist to assess him? Did you do any forms etc?
Maybe through the NHS app, check hid medical records, see if any letters or notes have been added etc. I'd check back in with the primary school, to see if they did the whole thing, as often you ask and they forgot to send one bit off etc, or perhaps though the secondary SENCO would pick it up, even just ask for the specific service.

Does the webiste have the direct emails of any SLT, particulary anyone for DSL/Pastoral, or KS3 that you could contact? Or are you able to go to reception in the morning/early before school/form time in the next few days? Or afterschool instead?

Really be persistent I know you've tried, and tbh you shouldn't have even had to do as much as you have, but the system is broken and only parents who fight and advocate and work around it get results. For parents who are EAL, deprived, work 2 plus jobs etc, they often have no clue about it and are failed, but you seem to have access to resources so game/fight the system.

theclive · 27/09/2025 20:22

Yep. 12yo in year 8 here.
Sick of the battle and the constant headaches he’s getting due to stress of hating it so much.
am hoping it gets better before GCSE years.

Humanswarm · 27/09/2025 21:06

Why would you not consider home schooling?

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 21:08

Because I don’t want to

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TheLivelyViper · 27/09/2025 21:17

theclive · 27/09/2025 20:22

Yep. 12yo in year 8 here.
Sick of the battle and the constant headaches he’s getting due to stress of hating it so much.
am hoping it gets better before GCSE years.

Perhaps look into play therapy or somatic therapy in general, something to help him have his own space to process everything. Also look into anxiety etc diagnosis, has he been referred to CAHMS? He may not meet the threshold yet due to the enormous pressure its under but MIND, family solutions etc are good, you can referred to family solutions by LA or school, sometimes (depending on area) they have good mental health support.

Is the school supportive and helpful in trying interventions?

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 21:21

TheLivelyViper · 27/09/2025 20:20

Actually I think a lot has changed, you have way bigger schools than ever that effects cohesion and also the amount of attention children get. Even kids who are struggling can't get as much help as they should and then it gets so bad and then they are top of the list. More schools have year groups of 200-300+ with one head of year so obviously kids are ignored.

Also with MATs less teachers and SLTs even have 'control' of their schools the policies, curriculums they know work for the schools demographic and kids, there often isn't that personal level of situational judgement. The parent, teacher, pupil school breakdown for which all sides are responsible has gotten further polarised because of the smallish amount of individuals in those groups who treat the other badly. There's no trust between such groups.

Way more arbitrary rules on things like appearance, not turning up with a calculator or P.E kit (not taking about repeatdly but a kid having a stressed day forgets something for the first time etc or sometimes a kid whose shoes are broken so they have to wear trainers, and their parents genuinely can't buy another pair for 2/3 weeks etc). Those things don't help or grow students, they just overly penalise them and also hurt their own relationship with education etc. Exams and GCSEs, A-levels are harder than ever, no youth clubs or very little, no sure start etc, little help from YOI or youth workers if needed, lack of access to sports and enrichment due to cost, bed poverty, clothes poverty is much worse, and many teachers etc/schools fail to have culturally compotent policies and policies which acknowledge this, many don't even think of x reasons because they haven't been near that ever. I'd say that schools yes have gotten better in some way but in many ways much worse, some not their fault but other are. If I look back at my school experience not that long ago, I'd say honestly the amount of racism just from staff was traumatising, in professions like teaching choosing ignorance hurts students, choosing overly arbitrary policies eith little situational judgement hurts both staff and students. Obviously I could be wrong, your experience is yours and I wasn't alive then but just my thoughts, also the thoughts I've heard from lots of students, both anecdotally but also through some of my longitudinal research etc looking at such changes or whether people there is said change.

Back to the main point OP, is there any way you can get him school therapy or therapy outside of school. It may help to have a place to decompress etc. Look it something like somatic approaches, etc. Does your school have a peer mentor programme? They can be amazing for many kids. Can I ask @HelloKittyFan what adjustments in primary school he had?

Did the primary school definitely refer him to CAHMS, for a psychiatrist to assess him? Did you do any forms etc?
Maybe through the NHS app, check hid medical records, see if any letters or notes have been added etc. I'd check back in with the primary school, to see if they did the whole thing, as often you ask and they forgot to send one bit off etc, or perhaps though the secondary SENCO would pick it up, even just ask for the specific service.

Does the webiste have the direct emails of any SLT, particulary anyone for DSL/Pastoral, or KS3 that you could contact? Or are you able to go to reception in the morning/early before school/form time in the next few days? Or afterschool instead?

Really be persistent I know you've tried, and tbh you shouldn't have even had to do as much as you have, but the system is broken and only parents who fight and advocate and work around it get results. For parents who are EAL, deprived, work 2 plus jobs etc, they often have no clue about it and are failed, but you seem to have access to resources so game/fight the system.

He’s had play therapy, Ebsa counselling, reduced time table, friendship groups, moved classes, I’ve come in weekly to sit and do work with him.

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Tiswa · 27/09/2025 21:21

@HelloKittyFan lots don’t want to homeschool that end up doing so because it’s the right choice

would he do online school at home?

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 21:22

Tiswa · 27/09/2025 21:21

@HelloKittyFan lots don’t want to homeschool that end up doing so because it’s the right choice

would he do online school at home?

He wouldn’t learn at home and I’m not able to meet his needs at home so he would be ordered back to school anyway

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Humanswarm · 27/09/2025 22:22

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 21:08

Because I don’t want to

What about that your child needs? School refusal is a real thing and is a real problem right now. I fo genuinely feel it would be worth looking in to.
And I hate to say it but your posts come across as passive...the school doesn't get back to you, well sit in the bloody foyer until they do.
You seriously need to advocate for your child.

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 22:27

Humanswarm · 27/09/2025 22:22

What about that your child needs? School refusal is a real thing and is a real problem right now. I fo genuinely feel it would be worth looking in to.
And I hate to say it but your posts come across as passive...the school doesn't get back to you, well sit in the bloody foyer until they do.
You seriously need to advocate for your child.

He wouldn’t get an education at home, I am not able to facilitate education at home and I’d end up with a SAO anyway

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XelaM · 27/09/2025 22:31

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 22:27

He wouldn’t get an education at home, I am not able to facilitate education at home and I’d end up with a SAO anyway

Why wouldn't he be able to do online school? They have live lessons just on a laptop in a virtual classroom. Worth a try?

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 23:15

I wouldn’t be able to afford it

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Tiswa · 27/09/2025 23:17

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 21:22

He wouldn’t learn at home and I’m not able to meet his needs at home so he would be ordered back to school anyway

But school isn’t and you are at risk of a burnout and trust me from experience that is awful

so he wouldn’t do online school?
is he at the right high school?

the fact the school aren’t doing anything is awful

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 23:28

I’m guessing the online schooling would be quite expensive I wouldn’t be able to afford it. He wanted this school due to his sibling being there and the fact it’s 6 minutes walk away I doubt I could get him to any other school given the others would require several buses meaning he would need to be up much earlier and he barely gets to the school on time now 6 minutes walk away I don’t know how he’d get to another one.

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Tiswa · 27/09/2025 23:52

HelloKittyFan · 27/09/2025 23:28

I’m guessing the online schooling would be quite expensive I wouldn’t be able to afford it. He wanted this school due to his sibling being there and the fact it’s 6 minutes walk away I doubt I could get him to any other school given the others would require several buses meaning he would need to be up much earlier and he barely gets to the school on time now 6 minutes walk away I don’t know how he’d get to another one.

It depends - the independent ones yes but state schools can offer it (DS did some and I I know at least 2-3 others who have also) so it can be offered for free

yiu need to speak to the school if he teaches burnout it is a v hard path

Toastea · 27/09/2025 23:56

I think it's normal to dislike school. It's a mentally healthy reaction to being made to sit indoors all day every day being told what to do, punished if you don't, expected to listen to and work at often very boring information, with a large number of people you didn't and wouldn't necessarily choose to spend your waking life with, away from people you might want to be with and activities and places you do enjoy. On top of that, schools are often smelly, noisy and have bad food. And you have to get up at an ungodly hour and travel in rush hour to get there.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who liked it.

My DS has a healthy dislike of school. I'd homeschool if I could, but I have to work, so it isn't possible, sadly. Sorry I don't have any useful ideas. I'm watching for any myself, although my DS is coping ok at the moment. I think finding interests he can focus on has helped my DS (my DS plays musical instruments, which gives him time out of lessons and means he has something that's just for him, iyswim). Also, activities outside school (my DS isn't sociable at all either, but scouts, karate and music mean at least he has a friendly community outside school) and also doing lots of fun stuff together, so school doesn't feel all-consuming and he has things to look forward to.

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