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Son is going off the rails

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MadeleineMummy · 06/10/2024 12:13

I am a single parent (widowed when my children were young) and have raised my children myself. I am a professional and work long hours and had a childminder and a au pair when the children were young. Now they are in their teens and my oldest has graduated from University it is just us.

Both my daughters are aspirational and want to have professional careers, my son of late said he isn’t going to concentrate on his GCSEs this year as people don’t need qualifications in the real world and he will make money hustling and doing stuff. He has started to wear urban street wear and wanders around the house when he is in with his hands down his baggy tracksuit bottoms. His grammar has deteriorated and he talks with an urban accent using slang and swear words. It feels like an alien has landed in our house. He is rude to his sisters and calls the bitches and refuses to say please or thank you to them. He often uses derogatory urban slang to them. He has massively changed I don’t know what to do. He steals from the house, he leaves it in a mess, he vapes and treats all the women in the house disrespectfully. None of my friend’s children behave like him and they are all studious and respectful. He takes no interest in the world. My daughters are vegetarian and environmentalists. They take an interest in politics and campaign for issues they believe in. My son has no interest in the world or anything outside his narrow frame of reference and gets takeaway chicken and leaves the bones on the floor of the kitchen.

we have had family meetings to discuss our values of respect, honesty and personal responsibility and he says why should he respect our values as we do not respect his as no one likes drill music. We have tried to argue that this is not a value but a musical taste and people can have different tastes. But he does not seem to listen to reason. He gets angry all the time and his default state is anger to me or his sisters. I cannot get through to him. He does not seem to want to listen to me. I have tried to get an appointment with Cahms but the waiting list is over a year. He goes to school OK and school seem not to be overly worried about him even though he does not do any homework and wants to drop out after GCSEs this year. I don’t want him to screw up his life but don’t know what I can do to help him.

OP posts:
AgileGreenSeal · 07/10/2024 19:16

He’s being violent in terms of inanimate objects and is threatening towards you and his sisters. I would see if these people could give you some support.

www.pegsupport.co.uk/

StMarieforme · 07/10/2024 19:27

I think he has been groomed by Incels, Andrew Tate and Tik Tok crap. Seriously.
Prevent will help with teens who have been led down that route.
Google Prevent and your local police force.
This young man was groomed by Incels...

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/13/police-name-five-people-killed-in-plymouth-shooting

30percent · 07/10/2024 20:29

StMarieforme · 07/10/2024 19:27

I think he has been groomed by Incels, Andrew Tate and Tik Tok crap. Seriously.
Prevent will help with teens who have been led down that route.
Google Prevent and your local police force.
This young man was groomed by Incels...

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/13/police-name-five-people-killed-in-plymouth-shooting

I think he's also been groomed into drug dealing hence he has all the money to buy nice things which his family thinks came from stealing from them but could also be drug money. If he's listening to gangster rap and idolising stuff like that too. I'd pay very close attention to where he's getting his money from. Sorry this is all negative shit and no good advice I hope he grows out of it 🙏🏻

bringslight · 07/10/2024 20:38

He is lacking supportive male environment

MadeleineMummy · 08/10/2024 15:16

Thanks so much.

OP posts:
Words · 09/10/2024 18:34

@bringslight did you actually read OP's first sentence ?
How utterly crass can you be?

Maddy70 · 09/10/2024 18:57

Does he have a good relationship with grandparents?

Is he the same with them?

I would contact the pastoral team at school tbh and see what they can support with

I wpuls auggeat hws sping seuga or smoking therefore stealing

Maddy70 · 09/10/2024 19:17

Bloody hell sorry. Cant edit on app!)

I would suggest hes taking drugs and or smoking and stealing to support this

Jessie1259 · 09/10/2024 19:56

You really, really need to stop comparing him to your wonderfully perfect daughters OP, not to mention his dad. That is a sure way to completely and utterly alienate him and destroy his self esteem. He will feel it even if you don't say it. He has had an extremely difficult childhood and just because your dd's managed to navigate that he obviously didn't. It doesn't sound like he's ever had any male father figures in his life and he is now rebelling against you and your perfect dd's who you really seem to have mentionitus about.

He desperately, desperately needs someone who gets him. Please don't assume he must be doing drugs and please stop trying to nick his phone while he sleeps as that will have already destroyed all trust. Why didn't you make it clear from the start that you would be checking his phone every now and then especially if you had any concerns?

This kid desperately needed parenting OP, and it's not your fault that you had to work - but it's not his fault either. Wanting to leave school after GCSE's is absolutely fine, he does NOT have to take the same route as your perfect daughters. He needs support in what he does next though that is very clear. He needs someone to look at college courses and apprenticeships with him and actually take him seriously and show him all the different options available to him. Someone he actually has a good relationship with, does he have anyone at all?

He's very lost OP and needs to feel valued and loved despite not be a political vegan or whatever crap you think makes your dd's absolutely amazing. He's a kid and his own person OP, you need to remember that.

bringslight · 09/10/2024 20:00

Words · 09/10/2024 18:34

@bringslight did you actually read OP's first sentence ?
How utterly crass can you be?

Always the politically correct brainwashed ones come to comment on people's comment mentioning what? More and more people on the thread have advice for the boy to be supplied with the male support he is lacking. You really should comment on the post, not on what you perceive others commentators are

bringslight · 09/10/2024 20:04

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RedHelenB · 09/10/2024 20:10

Family meetings are excruciating. He needs to be told firmly that he needs to treat his sisters with respect but that their vegetarianism doesn't trump his meat eating.
He'll grow out of it if you've brought him up with values, he's just acting lije a teenager.

Blusterydaytodaypoohbear · 09/10/2024 20:10

At 14 /15 my ds was horrific.. He transformed at 16 /17...

BlackToes · 09/10/2024 20:32

Get him some professional careers advice. He can’t compete with his amazing sisters academically and is getting a lot of attention for silly behaviour right now. He needs professional help working out what his skill set and interests are, what opportunities are around and salaries he could earn in potential careers (if financially driven)

what does he like to do in his spare time? Does he play sport? Can you find a positive male role model.

Spend some quality 1:1 time regularly each week, do something of interest to him, rebuild a bond, have fun, make him feel loved and valued. Tell him how much you appreciate little things he does right as he does them.

BlackToes · 09/10/2024 20:37

If he doesn’t enjoy school it might be worth looking at apprentices. Professional careers advice is needed. There’s a lot to be said for learning a trade, like electrician or plumber

MadeleineMummy · 09/10/2024 20:40

BlackToes · 09/10/2024 20:32

Get him some professional careers advice. He can’t compete with his amazing sisters academically and is getting a lot of attention for silly behaviour right now. He needs professional help working out what his skill set and interests are, what opportunities are around and salaries he could earn in potential careers (if financially driven)

what does he like to do in his spare time? Does he play sport? Can you find a positive male role model.

Spend some quality 1:1 time regularly each week, do something of interest to him, rebuild a bond, have fun, make him feel loved and valued. Tell him how much you appreciate little things he does right as he does them.

Thanks. I have suggested going to the cinema or to see some rapper but he shows no interest in spending time with me. I even suggested going to see Lil Tjay (who my daughters thought he may like) but he said he was not interested.

my daughters are not perfect and they have their quirks, they can swear, can be untidy, they can be self-centred, they can also be loud but they are not rude and violent.

OP posts:
boredwithfoodprob · 09/10/2024 20:59

I work with vulnerable teenagers and have had loads of safeguarding training - it sounds very much like he's involved with County Lines - lots of red flags. You need to speak to the safeguarding lead at his school. They will absolutely take this seriously. You sound like a great mum by the way, such a hard situation to deal with especially as a single parent.

Inauthentic · 09/10/2024 21:09

Jessie1259 · 09/10/2024 19:56

You really, really need to stop comparing him to your wonderfully perfect daughters OP, not to mention his dad. That is a sure way to completely and utterly alienate him and destroy his self esteem. He will feel it even if you don't say it. He has had an extremely difficult childhood and just because your dd's managed to navigate that he obviously didn't. It doesn't sound like he's ever had any male father figures in his life and he is now rebelling against you and your perfect dd's who you really seem to have mentionitus about.

He desperately, desperately needs someone who gets him. Please don't assume he must be doing drugs and please stop trying to nick his phone while he sleeps as that will have already destroyed all trust. Why didn't you make it clear from the start that you would be checking his phone every now and then especially if you had any concerns?

This kid desperately needed parenting OP, and it's not your fault that you had to work - but it's not his fault either. Wanting to leave school after GCSE's is absolutely fine, he does NOT have to take the same route as your perfect daughters. He needs support in what he does next though that is very clear. He needs someone to look at college courses and apprenticeships with him and actually take him seriously and show him all the different options available to him. Someone he actually has a good relationship with, does he have anyone at all?

He's very lost OP and needs to feel valued and loved despite not be a political vegan or whatever crap you think makes your dd's absolutely amazing. He's a kid and his own person OP, you need to remember that.

Edited

I agree with this post.

While I understand your concerns and agree that his behaviour is vile, I sense something else in the background. It seems like you have middle-class values and expect him to fit into some kind of middle-class framework.

He doesn't have to be aspirational and go to university and become a professional. He doesn't have to wear chinos.

He doesn't have to listen to Mozart, be a vegan or deeply care about environment.

parietal · 09/10/2024 21:23

I'd make an effort to listen to his music and talk to him. Ask him what he likes in it etc. but also put locks on doors and do all you can to stop him stealing. Can he get a weekend job for extra cash? And don't compare him to the sisters - he will probably have a very different path and that can be ok.

azafata2 · 09/10/2024 21:26

Hi
I work in a Pupil Referral unit in London.This sound like he is being groomed. County lines is the first thin that cam to mind. The kids are given gifts, money then are asked to carry drugs by their new "friends" (who are the dealers) and then as they threaten and do all kind of things to stop you leaving and the kids become trapped and blackmailed. The grooming can be done face to face but almost initially online with a shared interest, music being the most common. Also gang initiations ask their potential young member to do a serious of anti social and very risky things to prove they can join. This can be as serious as "mildly" stabbing a rival stealing, car theft etc. I know that you are really confused but I really would stop comparing him as to how his sisters are or were when they were his age. This could be one of the factors making gangs/ county lines attractive to him as he will feel that he belongs and it gives him a "high" status in others eyes. This situation can escalate quicky so urgently seek advice from any youth services you have in your area to point you in the right direction, the police , the school and school policeman as most schools have them. Speak to his head of year. This can be flagged as a safeguarding issue for him. Act tomorrow. If it all turns out he is just trying to show a bit of swagger so be it but I think he feels like the odd one out of his sisters who were "perfect" (I mean this respectively) and he is trying to assert his own identity. How better in his young eyes to become the "big man" especially to his peers no matter what the cost. I really hope that gives you some insight. Best.

MadeleineMummy · 09/10/2024 21:56

azafata2 · 09/10/2024 21:26

Hi
I work in a Pupil Referral unit in London.This sound like he is being groomed. County lines is the first thin that cam to mind. The kids are given gifts, money then are asked to carry drugs by their new "friends" (who are the dealers) and then as they threaten and do all kind of things to stop you leaving and the kids become trapped and blackmailed. The grooming can be done face to face but almost initially online with a shared interest, music being the most common. Also gang initiations ask their potential young member to do a serious of anti social and very risky things to prove they can join. This can be as serious as "mildly" stabbing a rival stealing, car theft etc. I know that you are really confused but I really would stop comparing him as to how his sisters are or were when they were his age. This could be one of the factors making gangs/ county lines attractive to him as he will feel that he belongs and it gives him a "high" status in others eyes. This situation can escalate quicky so urgently seek advice from any youth services you have in your area to point you in the right direction, the police , the school and school policeman as most schools have them. Speak to his head of year. This can be flagged as a safeguarding issue for him. Act tomorrow. If it all turns out he is just trying to show a bit of swagger so be it but I think he feels like the odd one out of his sisters who were "perfect" (I mean this respectively) and he is trying to assert his own identity. How better in his young eyes to become the "big man" especially to his peers no matter what the cost. I really hope that gives you some insight. Best.

Thanks. I have taken a week off work to meet with his school and have been asked to speak to Sendias as I cannot get an appointment with CAMHS. I will try and speak to social services.

I have got a locksmith who will fit locks on our doors. I have moved all our booze out of the living room into my study and will have a lock put on this when he gets to school.

when this is done, I will have a heart to heart with him and tell him I love him and I am worried about him. I will ask him what is wrong and say I want to know what it’s like being him and I am concerned as his parent.

i don’t know what else I can do at the moment.

OP posts:
poppinpink · 09/10/2024 22:08

Hi, I'm also thinking this is sounding like county lines and needs dealing with asap. Really worrying situation all round.

LondonLass61 · 09/10/2024 22:21

MadeleineMummy · 09/10/2024 21:56

Thanks. I have taken a week off work to meet with his school and have been asked to speak to Sendias as I cannot get an appointment with CAMHS. I will try and speak to social services.

I have got a locksmith who will fit locks on our doors. I have moved all our booze out of the living room into my study and will have a lock put on this when he gets to school.

when this is done, I will have a heart to heart with him and tell him I love him and I am worried about him. I will ask him what is wrong and say I want to know what it’s like being him and I am concerned as his parent.

i don’t know what else I can do at the moment.

I think you’re doing the right things- he’s still in there somewhere. My 16 yr old son was horrible during my divorce. I tried to be firm and fair and actually carried out my threat to call the police twice after I felt threatened by his aggressive manner - they were great and sat and chatted to him but told him it was unacceptable for me to be treated that way. Following that, he knew that I wouldn’t take threats or violence and I was consistent and set fair boundaries. I tried to take an interest in some of his things too and not just talk about school but it was a rocky road -he refused to go to uni but always worked and now he is in his 30’s and happily married with a mortgage etc. It’s a horrible time but he’ll know that you love him.
Look after yourself too x

Ginflinger · 09/10/2024 22:39

Skybluepinky · 07/10/2024 18:04

Sounds like he is involved in county lines, u need to get it sorted before it’s completely out of hand.

I also thought something like this.

babyproblems · 09/10/2024 22:42

I would be speaking to his school and getting as much help as you can there - also I’d be going through his phone etc and making sure he wasn’t doing any drugs. If he was I would go nuclear and consider moving him elsewhere etc. Does he have any close male role models - relatives or maybe you have family friends who are older? I might consider asking someone I knew well for help and see if they could take him under their wing a bit. If he is mixing in bad circles I think you need to address that as no good comes from it.

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